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ok, trying to figure shit out.....

1981 Hilux (18R + 4 Speed)
I think that means i got 4.88s?

What engine and gbox combo would be a neat fit and be legal and match the diff ratios to 33" or biggeer tyres?

Diesels? Petrols?

do you want to keep toyota or not i personally like diesels so a 2L with a 5 speed box - 5 speed is a small amouunt of mucking around though

If you were going to all the trouble you wouldn't swap in a 2L, the 3L would be the better choice if you were going deisel!

If you are thinking petrol and wanted to stick to toyota gear than the 22R would be a pretty good choice!

However for the cost of doing both of the above conversions properly you could nearly swap in a Holden V6!

POS wrote:If you were going to all the trouble you wouldn't swap in a 2L, the 3L would be the better choice if you were going deisel!

If you are thinking petrol and wanted to stick to toyota gear than the 22R would be a pretty good choice!

However for the cost of doing both of the above conversions properly you could nearly swap in a Holden V6!

exactly why i asked if he wanted to stay toyota

3L over a 2L i asked a lot of people b4 i rebuilt the 2L and most said to rebuild the 2L as mine was a MK1 2L pre 86 i think - apprently the strongest of the L series engine - but that is what i was told

3L would want to have more power though

I was also told by my diesel mech, that the pre 86 2L was the strongest and was mre relaiable with a Turbo than a 3L (even though the 3L would have more power)

supra the mongrel
thats the cheap way to go !!

what supra engines should i look for?

The cheap way to go is look for a manual Supra with the 5M-GE or 7M-GE under the bonnet. If thats too hard the for even less dough look for the 6 cylinder Celica with the 1G-GE ( should be common, theres also the 1G-GTE turbo ). Its only 2 litre but makes good power and torque and also bolts up to the lux box

suprasurf wrote:The cheap way to go is look for a manual Supra with the 5M-GE or 7M-GE under the bonnet. If thats too hard the for even less dough look for the 6 cylinder Celica with the 1G-GE ( should be common, theres also the 1G-GTE turbo ). Its only 2 litre but makes good power and torque and also bolts up to the lux box

What age (approx) are these engines?

Never mind, I just found the info.

Do the 5M-GE, 7M-GE and 1G's all bolt up to the bellhousing, same clutch, slave cylinder, starter, etc?

FYI ...

http://www.toymods.org.au/Darren/build_notes.htm

RoldIT wrote:What age (approx) are these engines?

The 5M-GE starts about 1981 and goes thru to around 1986-87
The 7M-GE ( and GTE Turbo ) start around 1986 and go thru to early 1990's
The 1G series starts around 1982 and lasted into the early 1990's, this motor is basically a 4A-GE with 2 xtra pots

Check out:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/ ... gines.html
This tells you approx power o/p of all toy motors. The 5M I have has good torque with 5.29's and revs to 8000 when you stand on it

My 5M was soooo cheap to do compared to a mates commo that I fitted lockers, and 35 Simex ET's and still had change from his spend up !

Have a look at:
http://home.off-road.com/~bibelheimer/toyota_info.html
theres some info on both the 5M and 7M

If your keen on doin one let me know and I can help ya through the conversion ( done about a dozen now )

Cool, thanks. I like Luxes (don't have on yet) but hate the lack of power so am keeping an eye out for good (Read: Fairly Easy) upgrades.

This seems to be the way to go.

Will let you know if I decide to go this way.


Cheers.

what im trying to find out is what gbox, im gonna need also..

When did the hiluxs change to 4.29's? cause i would assume that thats the hilux i would need a box from?

Also, im also thinking of buying a already registerd lux and swapping the 4.88's and my suspension over to it..

so what engine a gbox combos would suit me (planning on running 33's to stay in the unlocked comp class till i can afford lockers as well)

just run the lowest ratios you can get and the biggest rubber you can afford and engineer the thing, just get a speedo thingie so your spedo is right

or am i missing something here, the orig question is pretty up in the air

sorry, what i mean is so that the thing still drives decently on the raod, not super sluggish, and so it has decent ratios offroad..

ie, i thik mid 90 hiluxs have 4.29's but if you goto 4.88s you can run 33" tyre with little differance in ratios at the wheels.. if you left normal diffs and ran 33s you would be mega slow.. and have farked ratios offroad!

4.29?

NICK wrote:4.29?

i think he is thinking of 4.3 and mixing it with 5.29

see i was thinking 5.29, but yeah makes sence now, kinda, really i am fawking confused, are you trying to match tyre to standard motor and box or to swapped in motor and box?




NICK

ahh, yea, my fuckup!!!!!! opps....

ok, this will sort me out....

what diff ratios does a 85 - 88 model 2.4 diesel lux have standard??

and a 90 model 2.8d would have 4.3's right?

and a 81 18R prtrol lux would have 4.88's??

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BeZeRK wrote:what diff ratios does a 85 - 88 model 2.4 diesel lux have standard??

4.56

so 4.88s will allow me to go up in tyre sizes a little more comfortably...

What these engines go like, havnt been in one yet??
its going to be for 75% offroad, and plan on thrashing it big time? how ya think they hold up?

ID PREFER a Diesel but what yas think?? would a petrol be as good? 22r??

BeZeRK wrote:so 4.88s will allow me to go up in tyre sizes a little more comfortably...


ID PREFER a Diesel but what yas think?? would a petrol be as good? 22r??

A petrol is no good off road compared to a diesel

yea, thats why i want a diesel....

but if i cant find a real good one ill maybe look at a petrol, and i know some people who do alot of Surf diesel rebuilds for a jap importer, and i had a quick chat to him today, possably a conversion if i find a good petrol body!