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ok ive finally broken my crap flip down welding helmet so ive been tempted to get one of those cool automatic ones

they seem like there a great idea but have never seen anyone using them so i dunno if there any good

post up your thoughts

also is there any difference between the cheapo $100 ones and the $200-$300 ones

cheers

Response times with the cheaper ones aren't as good. Might get lucky with some brands, is your eyesight worth it? Spend the biggies or get another flipper.

I used to use a one of them at work all the time and it was brilliant....

Obviously it would have been a decent brand tho...

At least if the battery dies or something like that u can still use it as a normal helmet anyway as it isnt se thru untill it is turned on.

ive got one its great, cost about $120, no good outside in the dark though, in day light or in the shed with the lights on its great

we use a speedglas from boc at work its awsome , solor ones are a little slower to react than the battery ones

We've got one at work. Seems to be pretty good although it would be an expensive one. Lots of buttons and stuff inside the mask to adjust things.

spend the cash, welding will never be the same again,

maybe try ebay for a cheap one?

i hate the Auto ones, i prefer the flip downs.....
i tend to get a tiny half second of flash effect on my eyes when they flick on....

screwy

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:i hate the Auto ones, i prefer the flip downs.....
i tend to get a tiny half second of flash effect on my eyes when they flick on....

screwy

jefricals what the fuc would u no u use every1 elses gear & material & u get every1 else to do your work 4 you & then u bag there work out so r u goin off what they told u or the very little time u spent under your car or the huge amount of time dave & i spent under yours with out even a thanx netherlone replacin the gas or wire u were told to supliy yourself

need some full stops in there.

doh

HUNTERLUX wrote:

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:i hate the Auto ones, i prefer the flip downs.....
i tend to get a tiny half second of flash effect on my eyes when they flick on....

screwy

jefricals what the fuc would u no u use every1 elses gear & material & u get every1 else to do your work 4 you & then u bag there work out so r u goin off what they told u or the very little time u spent under your car or the huge amount of time dave & i spent under yours with out even a thanx netherlone replacin the gas or wire u were told to supliy yourself

I have my own welder and mask now

And have used the auto ones enough to voice my opinion about hating them

Its an opinion....... get ova it

I was asked to try one out in my Sheetmetal working days and I found it good for "normal" welding but if you were doing lots of tacks or stitches you would end up with a welding flash at the end of the day. That was a good brand one worth $400

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:

HUNTERLUX wrote:

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:i hate the Auto ones, i prefer the flip downs.....
i tend to get a tiny half second of flash effect on my eyes when they flick on....

screwy

jefricals what the fuc would u no u use every1 elses gear & material & u get every1 else to do your work 4 you & then u bag there work out so r u goin off what they told u or the very little time u spent under your car or the huge amount of time dave & i spent under yours with out even a thanx netherlone replacin the gas or wire u were told to supliy yourself

I have my own welder and mask now




And have used the auto ones enough to voice my opinion about hating them

Its an opinion....... get ova it

godd cause u got farkin bucklys of any of the boyz helpin u out after the way u fuced every1 over last time
buy the way the old man said he is still waitin 4 some dollars 4 the wire & gas because u were such a tight & rude c#nt about it

HUNTERLUX wrote:

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:

HUNTERLUX wrote:

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:i hate the Auto ones, i prefer the flip downs.....
i tend to get a tiny half second of flash effect on my eyes when they flick on....

screwy

jefricals what the fuc would u no u use every1 elses gear & material & u get every1 else to do your work 4 you & then u bag there work out so r u goin off what they told u or the very little time u spent under your car or the huge amount of time dave & i spent under yours with out even a thanx netherlone replacin the gas or wire u were told to supliy yourself

I have my own welder and mask now




And have used the auto ones enough to voice my opinion about hating them

Its an opinion....... get ova it

godd cause u got farkin bucklys of any of the boyz helpin u out after the way u fuced every1 over last time
buy the way the old man said he is still waitin 4 some dollars 4 the wire & gas because u were such a tight & rude c#nt about it

pm sent

I've used one, but due to being a beginner, I found that unless you get a arc straight away you get a series of "blackouts" as the filter kicks in then turns off as you stick or whatever...though I'm sure it would be different if I was a better welder!

They are great for workbench type welding, but I have had too many flashes and blackouts when welding underneath vehicles. They seem to get confused when there are other components between the helmet and the area being welded Overhead lighting seems to confuse them occasionally too and they black out momentarily. I use a conventional mask now for work undeneath vehicles.
Bill.

great respons guys think ill go have a look at the local welding store and see what they reccomend im only a intermediate welder so a oldschool one might be the go

cheers for the replys

I bought an auto back when there were only good brands on the market. It cost me as much as the welder, but i've never regretted the use of those bucks ever since.

HUNTERLUX wrote:jefricals what the fuc would u no u use every1 elses gear & material & u get every1 else to do your work 4 you & then u bag there work out so r u goin off what they told u or the very little time u spent under your car or the huge amount of time dave & i spent under yours with out even a thanx netherlone replacin the gas or wire u were told to supliy yourself

Jefricals wrote:And have used the auto ones enough to voice my opinion about hating them

coughbullshytecoughcough

Ive been in the industry for over 20 years and I have used both types for various applications.
I personally perfer the "flip" type due to the fact that an angle grinder can be used without a helmet change. The Auto units however are far supperior when it comes to tacking up work be it panel work to large connection plates.

I have noticed I get headaces and sore eyes after a days welding when using the auto unit, I belive this may be due to the milli second lag from "off to on" ..... I dont get any side effects with the flip style at all.

Kingy

I started welding for the first time yesterday, going to make my tray

i found its FAR easier to learn with the auto type as you can actaully see what your going to weld before you start. i found with the flip down type it was a lot harder and would not suit a beginner a as much.

all in all i love the auto one seeing i dont do welding for more than 1 hour at a time i dont get any side effects.

When you're doing very fine precise Tig work like we do all day, the auto helmets are great because you start your weld exactly where you want and don't accidentally move when you flip your visor down.
Regards Andrew.

ditch wrote:I started welding for the first time yesterday, going to make my tray

i found its FAR easier to learn with the auto type as you can actaully see what your going to weld before you start. i found with the flip down type it was a lot harder and would not suit a beginner a as much.

all in all i love the auto one seeing i dont do welding for more than 1 hour at a time i dont get any side effects.

Seems a bit like learning to drive in a auto cause it is easier and then having to re-learn in a manual later on

Not being an experienced welder I probably not over qualified to comment but I would imagine using an auto for stick would be great as you can see to strike the arc but if using a mig it shouldn't really make much of a difference as you can position the tip before you start, personally not being that flash (pun intended) a welder I find the auto easier, specially when you can get them for under $80 from Glenfords or Trade Tools.

V8Patrol wrote:Ive been in the industry for over 20 years and I have used both types for various applications.
I personally perfer the "flip" type due to the fact that an angle grinder can be used without a helmet change. The Auto units however are far supperior when it comes to tacking up work be it panel work to large connection plates.

My Cigweld Predator is an auto dark but with flip up lens. Winner!

V8Patrol wrote:I have noticed I get headaces and sore eyes after a days welding when using the auto unit, I belive this may be due to the milli second lag from "off to on" ..... I dont get any side effects with the flip style at all.
Kingy

Lag is definately there, particularly in poor light.
Pretty nasty when they fail unexpectedly too. Ouch!