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Tell me your thoughts on this combination:

Here's the plan/ dream.............

Tube frame from Ruff/ Sam.
Nissan GQ diffs
GQ LSD in rear
MQ rear LSD in GQ front (Housing will be cut and pumpkin swapped to LHS)
Pajero alloy V6 motor
Pajero G'box
Pajero T'case
(problem here will be the slip yolks on T'case output)
Beadlocked steel rims
BFG Crawler tyres (37's)

How's this sound?

Feel free to add your comments..........

Cheers

sounds like an absolute weapon

can i ask why go to the trouble of fitting lsd's and not lockers tho,

otherwise, sounds like a lil gem, very keen to follow the progress

question

why pajero t-case?

I guess the idea behind the LSD's is that it'll be a budget thing.

Not to say that the LSD in my GQ is as good as a locker, but it still works really good, and the LSD up front will hopefully stop too many brocken CV's.

I'll want to keep it running pretty much stock gear to limit problems with a. Sourcing second hand parts
b. Too many issues with mating different components together such as Toyota G'box to Nissan T-case.

The idea is to keep it simple and reliable.

they make reduction gears for paj t/cases too now

Bubs, I think a pajero T-case would work because it'll mate up to the motor and g-box easily. Less problems and they are light.

Perhaps not the strongest t-case available but mine on my old car handled my abuse without hassles so I figure why not.

It's chain driven too.

seems like you've got it fairly well thought out on both accounts

i could be wrong and someone please tell me if i am, but from what i've seen lsd's actually heighten the chance of broken cv's

now this is only going on a couple of vechiles that i have driven with, no other experience so i may well be way off track here, but it seemd that it was always the front lsd equipped vechiles snapping there cv's before anyone else,

all i could put it down to was that they spun a wheel much easier than a locked rig, which was fine, but it was always the sudden grab when they did find traction was what snapped em

where as the locked rigs had a much smoother transition if that makes sense

i could be way off base here, so ignore me if i am, but personally i would just keep saving and go a locker straight up, i know i am, cause i originally had exactly the same thoughts as you

perfect candidate for haultech traction control ..

Good point Elmo. You may well be on the right track with that one.

I figure that it would be the best compromise between running open and locked (Front diff).

If I build this, I want to beable to compete reasonably quickly. I hate how projects often drag on for months because people, especially the owner, lose interest and the big picture that they started with.

To get out there and competing, I figure this would be the cheapest way into it.

Airlocker or similar would be nice up front, but not always able to be had.

true, very true, mines been dragging on for months

it sounds like a good plan tho

what you doin with the suspension????

Suspension.

Simple coil set up

4 link rear

4 or 5 link front

Nothing too wild.

Probably just use stock patrol coils......

why not weld the rear?

id even weld the front for a trail only rig atleast till u can save up for airlocker front

what redzook said

redzook wrote:why not weld the rear?

id even weld the front for a trail only rig atleast till u can save up for airlocker front

If you wanna build it on a budget this is the best peice of info added to your planned buggy thread

Yeah true. The idea of welding the rear diff isn't that bad. It'll only be for comps and stuff anyway so it's an option.

love_mud wrote:perfect candidate for haultech traction control ..

Only problem with this is the price, he wants to keep it cheap and if one locker is going to be a problem then the haultech will be right out. This is also the reason my heals got cooled on the Haultech, big bickies when on a tight budget.

Nev62 wrote:

love_mud wrote:perfect candidate for haultech traction control ..

Only problem with this is the price, he wants to keep it cheap and if one locker is going to be a problem then the haultech will be right out. This is also the reason my heals got cooled on the Haultech, big bickies when on a tight budget.

mmm i think people may need to do some research before posting. full traction set-up is cheaper than twin lockers.

Yeah, I think traction control would be out of the picture to start with.

Simple entry level buggy to start with.

That stuff can always be added at a later date.

STUMPY wrote:

Nev62 wrote:

love_mud wrote:perfect candidate for haultech traction control ..

Only problem with this is the price, he wants to keep it cheap and if one locker is going to be a problem then the haultech will be right out. This is also the reason my heals got cooled on the Haultech, big bickies when on a tight budget.

mmm i think people may need to do some research before posting. full traction set-up is cheaper than twin lockers.

Ture but I thought he was talking about one locker. $2500 odd (which is the price I've been given and kicked about here for the haultech) is just a tad more than one locker

At the least to start with I would just run a rear LSD to get into it.

At most, I would run relded rear with LSD front.

I feel a flame session coming.
Paj 3 litre low kws, 100 Din @ 5000
low nms, 234 Din @ a too high 4000
Quad cam
Paj 3.5 litre kws, 154 Din not sure of the revs
VRX
Diamante 3.5 kws, 175 ??
Low range is too high and Paj's already have deep diff ratios, unlike a
Patrol or Cruiser so you are losing there as well as even lowering your diff ratios only brings them down to Paj std ratios.
Just thoughts.
J Top

need some nissan axles pm me

Entry level ? Why the crawlers then ? Why not save the $180+ per tire and run MTRs ??? That money could then go towards a front locker or traction control.
I would say weld the rear, run MTRs and put some more $$ in towards Haultech TC for the front. Will save your C.V's at least. LSD's will not cut the mustard unfortunatly if you intend on competing.
I reckon look at rangie/jeep coils also, I think wendle has had some success running nissan coils but IMHO they're gonna have to be inboarded too much [affecting stability] to work properly.

My .02c

J Top wrote:I feel a flame session coming.
Paj 3 litre low kws, 100 Din @ 5000
low nms, 234 Din @ a too high 4000
Quad cam
Paj 3.5 litre kws, 154 Din not sure of the revs
VRX
Diamante 3.5 kws, 175 ??
Low range is too high and Paj's already have deep diff ratios, unlike a
Patrol or Cruiser so you are losing there as well as even lowering your diff ratios only brings them down to Paj std ratios.
Just thoughts.
J Top

The 3 litre is smaller and lighter, as is the gearbox and t/case. Torque comes in too high, I'm not sure if any more 2.85 gears are available.

The 3.5 has larger/stronger t/case, and I'm guessing a weight penalty. All Super Select t/case have centre diff - is that more weight you don't want? But if you strip down a 3.5 case for the 3.15 low range (in development ) you might be able to remove some bits? Frank?

The (earlier) DOHC 3.5 makes more power than the (later) SOHC, but the SOHC has same peak torque, at lower revs.

The 3 litre axles have been known to break, but the 3.5 axles are significantly larger and stronger - close to the size of the Nissans, I believe. The LSDs are generally pretty good too, even if they're not as good as the Nissans. The same drivetrain is behind the 2.8 td, if that helps finding parts.

After all this, I have NFI what you'd do for a front diff.

Cheers,

Scott

why not a commo motor and box and hilux tranny, motors and boxes are common as, can be had and replaced cheap, can flog the tits out of em, mods a plenty

you cant weld up a LSD you'd need to hunt up an open centred GQ diff, which seem to be rare

Sounds like an interesting buggy.
But I can tell you have never owned a vehicle with lockers or they would be at the TOP of your list!
Lockers make all the difference!
Just my 2c
Paul.

sounds awesome but why all the paj stuff?

Rangie divorced T/case .. tough and lowish gears .. plus less stuffing about with custon offset front diffs ..

the money you will spend flipping the front over save and buy a drivers drop atlas and bolt it up to a commo V6 / T700 combo