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Rotary engine into zuke

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:52 pm
by muppet_man67
perhaps slightly overpowered but it ought to fit. I never realised how small they were till I read the other day. replace a 1.3 zuke engine with a 1.3 rx8. on paper the capacity is the same. so rego shouldnt be a drama :D












Now shoot me down :D

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:28 pm
by Bazooka

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:53 pm
by muppet_man67
oh and I thought I was being original. I only got to the second page though.

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:15 am
by ca18escort
the other this to be carefull of is that rotary engines have a mutliplication factor of 2 when working out capacity ie. your 1.3 lt roarty engine equates to a 2.6 piston engine.

Paul

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:39 am
by v8zuki
been there done it hauuuuls aaassss
so much fun its scary do it u know u want to :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:48 am
by DeWsE
I wanna a CA18 in a zuk!

or 4G86

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:17 pm
by muppet_man67
that guy makes a very good case for the rotary engine. I wonder how suzuki diffs and transfer would take the extra grunt. If it was engineerable and you could source and engine for a couple of gran it would be pretty :cool:
does anyone know if mazda are the only car company to build rotary engines?

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:22 pm
by nicbeer
Yes to the company thing. Maz are the only automotive rotary engines.

1madengineer did this swap before. may want to search for him.

cheers

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:48 pm
by ljxtreem
i dont think the HP or the capacity would be the problem with getting the whole lot legal, its usualy the weight of a bigger engine that pushes the zook over its GMV. Dont know much about rotarys, are they alloy?(weight) Is it injected? If you are going to the trouble of doing an engine swap, put an engine in with injection :armsup:
Carbys sucK :x

Mock :D

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:52 pm
by cj
nicbeer wrote:Yes to the company thing. Maz are the only automotive rotary engines.



Once upon a time in a land far far away there was a company called NSU that also made a rotary powered car.

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:29 pm
by J Top
and Norton
and Suzuki
and Yamaha

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:12 pm
by twinnie
and merc (the CCC) 2 made

Matt

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:19 pm
by Guy
And they also found their way into kingswoods in a few countires

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:14 pm
by DamTriton
...and also into large model aircraft (topping out at about 35000 rpm)

The rotaries are built up in sandwich fashion and have been both all alloy (10A's and early 12A, troublesome), and steel endplates/alloy housing sandwich (Late 12A and all 13B's, less troublesome).

The biggest issue with them is keeping them cool. Because of the design of them there is no fresh charge keeping the insides of the combustion chamber cool (more like a two stroke in operation). This results in very uneven heating of the endplates/housings and rotor, and if your cooling system is in any way short of the mark, you will end up with the different coefficients of expansion of the alloy, and the steel bolts that hold everything together, causing a "crush" on the alloy components resulting in leaks at the alloy/steel endplate junctions. In effect this renders the engine almost dead (driveable but very sick). Only solution is a teardown and rebuild after having the mating surfaces machined flat.

Another problem was the carbon apex seals on early rotaries, these were later changed to steel, and I think are a retrofit into early ones now.

Be aware that they use a considerable sized oil cooler (about 1/3 of the total radiator size) as the rotor is oil cooled by an internal spray.

You would definitely need a rockhopper to make use of the engine, as it has very little torque below abut 3500 rpm, unless you go for a 13B-T. Rev till the cows come home, though.

In short not the best engine choice for a mudrunner unless you are prepared to put the radiator in the tray.

Having had a rotary "do its thang" in the middle of Pricess Highway, Springvale Rd, Center Rd intersection in 40+ degree heat....................Bloody loooooooong push, let me tell you!

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:14 pm
by flyinwall
love_mud wrote:And they also found their way into kingswoods in a few countires


aaaahhhhh the good old Road Pacer only sold in japan to the executive market as they were very underpowered but were well sort after

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:32 pm
by nicbeer