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i am relatively un knowledgeable, and couldnt find as much as i would ahve liked to do with this topic when i tried to search, but i was interested to know, if it botls straight up, or if not, what do i need, and what price is the parts...

any other serious mods required?!?!

EDIT: Currently a 4Y, YN67 Model Hilux

Use a bellhousing from a 5M-E, 5M-GE, or 7M-GE equipped Supra, or Cressida. Not many of the latter came with manual transmissions though. Use a 5M-E, 5M-GE, or 7M-GE flywheel, and clutch.

You'll wish u used a W56 gearbox instead tho.

Toyota Cressida/Supra 3ltr twin cam motor model 7M-GE, 1988 $500

does that sound reasonable...

and what differences will it make whether or not it was bolted to an auto or manual... isnt it just going to go into the bellhousing which is gonna go on my manual...

i realise i probably sound like a retard... but thats coz im close to it...

neway, some more help would be appreciated

thx

The motor is a good one. Lots of hp and torque increase. The G52 gearbox will not hold up under that engine if you habitually put your foot in it. The W56 is 50% stronger and will bolt to the 5M-E, 5M-GE, or 7M-GE (W58) bellhousing. The R151F is 100% stronger than the G52. It will not bolt to this bellhousing. It will bolt to a 7M-GTE bellhousing but the R151F input shaft is too short, 160 mm versus 190 mm. You can make it work with a Mark's adapter plate, that replaces the input shaft bearing retainer on the R151F and enables the gearbox to bolt to a W58 bellhousing.

Most people use a 2 inch body lift to fit the engine. Use the upper half of 5M motor mounts, and 22R lower half, you'll have to remove the dowel pin in the mount. You'll need to run a remote fan, and a bigger radiator. Cooling is an issue with this engine and blown head gaskets as well. While you're doing the conversion, replace the timing belt, cheap insurance.

There's lots of info out there where guys have made the conversion. If you're not interested in gobs of power, but want an inline six, the 5M-E will give you more room and not require a body lift. In stock form it's not much more powerful than the 22R-E.

JR

I have hte 2 inch bodylift already...

so ur saying if i dont drive like a tool all the time i should be alright with the g52, and shouldnt need any marks gear, just need to pick up some motor mounts, and "Use a bellhousing from a 5M-E, 5M-GE, or 7M-GE equipped Supra, or Cressida" and i should be home free....

savage wrote:I have hte 2 inch bodylift already...

so ur saying if i dont drive like a tool all the time i should be alright with the g52, and shouldnt need any marks gear, just need to pick up some motor mounts, and "Use a bellhousing from a 5M-E, 5M-GE, or 7M-GE equipped Supra, or Cressida" and i should be home free....

A G52 will live behind a 7M-GE - if you don't drive like a tool "anytime". Drive it hard and it won't last six months. Yup, a W58 bellhousing and flywheel/clutch assy from a 5M or 7M will get you running. Use the upper half of 5M and the lower half of 22R-E motor mounts.

When u trash yer tranny, install a W56 gearbox, preferrably overhauled with Marlin's HD kit. If you turbo the 7M you'll need a R series gearbox as the W56 won't last behind a 7M-GTE. Use the Supra R154 adapted to 4WD - a bad choice because of the gears, or a R150F from the 3.4 liter v6 - as it has a 190 mm input shaft. In the US it comes with a LH (driver's side) front output. I think the transfer case from a G58 tranny will bolt to a R series gearbox, u may have to change the Tcase input shaft to obtain a spline that mates to the R sereis gearbox.

TRex and OzRunner can give u better info on that issue. Some people use R452 Dyna gear sets in the R151F gearbox for a 5.13:1 1st gear or a 37% over drive 5th gear. U have to choose which option u want, can't get both...

JR

alright, all this is really really helpful 'jr9162'

my final question... for now...

is what exactly is the
22R-E"

ive got the 7m, 5m, 4y, 37, etc sorted, but what engine is this?

savage wrote:alright, all this is really really helpful 'jr9162'

my final question... for now...

is what exactly is the
22R-E"

ive got the 7m, 5m, 4y, 37, etc sorted, but what engine is this?

22R is carb'd 2.4 liter Yota 4 cylinder
22R-E is fuel injected version
22R-TE is US and Canuk turbo version (only used in 4WD trucks during 86-87), made in 2WD trucks 85-87, made in 4Runners 86-88 with automatic only. The 22R-TE's came with R151F gearboxes, and a 23 spline input shaft gear driven Tcase. Getting scarce as hen's teeth they is.

Pics of my truck, beginning rehab, is here:
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=7315.0

JR

nice looking truck mate.... i cant see u using the sunroof to often though

thanks for all the information, how is it u come to know so much about this whole conversion etc.... i might call on you again

i expected to get, "learn to search" or other smartarsed replies, but to my pleasant shock, i didnt

could some one try to fill in the gaps for me....

provided that the g52 mounts up to the 7m... thats 500 bux
plus ___ for the different bellhousing
and then ____ fir the new engine mounts...
and ____ fir the clutch, flywheel etc

any other specific problems with this conversion i should know about... any good links to it being done and the such...

thanks

The 22R mounts will only work on one side of your set up. One of the mounts on your frame is in a different possition to the 22R. You will need to cut this off the chassie and move it allong a little.

JR in Australia we didnt get the 22R untill the 3rd gen hilux. The second gen hilux and 4runner only had the Y series Engines fitted and one of the Frame engine mmount brackets are different.

Sorry but i cant remember which side though.

RUFF wrote:Sorry but i cant remember which side though.

no problems RUFF, much appreciated much like anyone else who is able to offer assistance...

do u have any idea on any of the prices i am looking at, u seem to be pretty good at this 4WD Building thing

savage wrote:

RUFF wrote:Sorry but i cant remember which side though.

no problems RUFF, much appreciated much like anyone else who is able to offer assistance...

do u have any idea on any of the prices i am looking at, u seem to be pretty good at this 4WD Building thing

No idea sorry. Never got involved in putting another Toyota engine in a Hilux.

That's why I keep seeing reference to 4Y all the time.... See you can teach an old dog new tricks, just gotta use the right bone.

All I can tell you beyond this is search the internet (www.google.com), this site, and the forum (BBS) at www.marlincrawler.com using 5M-GE or 7M-GE as your key words. You'll find a lot of posting and links to write ups regarding the conversion. You'll want to use the 5M oil pan and oil pickup tube on a 7M for clearance with your front axle.

I drove one 4Runner that had a 5M-GE installed from a Cressida. It had power, but not the bottom end torque I expected. Another 'converter' has assured me the truck I drove wasn't performing normally. I've been told Cressidas were a good choice for 5M-GEs because the vehicles tended not to be goosed all the time, came primarily with automatics (less stress on the crank), and the ECU worked real well with a W56 gearbox. Yeah, expect to pay a premium for the 5M-GE flywheel, clutch assy, and W58 bellhousing. Not many Cressidas came with them, and Supras are getting more and more scarce.

If you get the opportunity go for a JDM 6M-GE with its ECU, bellhousing, et al. It's basically a 5M-GE with a 7M-GE crank. Best of both worlds, better OEM torque than either the stock 5M-GE or 7M-GE.

I like the idea of using a inline six (7 main bearings) but ruled out the swap becuz:
I don't wanna body lift, and
I prefer to stick with my R151F gearbox

I'll either use a turbocharged 5L (3.0 liter) diesel or a Ford 302. Still issues with body lift on the latter (well maybe not).

JR

If you have the 4Y then you can use your flywheel on the 5M / 7M. You will need to redrill one hole and either machine the rear of the flywheel or space it out from the crank by a mm.

For a bellhousing I have done one using the front half from a 4M ( W50 ) and the rear from a 2L diesel. I have also had made an adapter for the 7M (A340 ) auto bellhousing which allows you to bolt up the R150 and R151 gearbox. You won't find a manual Cressida in Oz :(

My 7M is still sweet on the G52 ( 3 years ) so if you have one if will hold up for quite a while if you don't dump the clutch too often.

The 5M and 7M are basically the same size and a 30 mm body lift is the best option.

Also a very good option before you fit the sucker is to get a sump and oil pump from either a 4M Crown or a 7M-GTE which are mid sump compared to the 5M and 7M that are front sump. This will make the donk last longer and make it easier later to do x-over steering.

Good Luck
My story: http://www.4wd.net.nz/suprasurf.htm

Savage, SupraSurf is one of the converters I was referring to. Wondered what took him so long to post. Thanks for the clarification on the oil pan and pickup. As stated before I know nothin about the 4Y. I think SupraSurf has had extraordinary long life out of his G52.

SupraSurf, have you heard of anyone installing the 5M-E in a Lux?

JR

jr9162 wrote:Savage, SupraSurf is one of the converters I was referring to. Wondered what took him so long to post.

I've been out of the 4X4 loop for a while trying to build a new house for the family.... you think building trucks are a mission...

jr9162 wrote:Thanks for the clarification on the oil pan and pickup. As stated before I know nothin about the 4Y. I think SupraSurf has had extraordinary long life out of his G52.

SupraSurf, have you heard of anyone installing the 5M-E in a Lux?

JR

Sump and pick up mod is an easy one and worth the effort.
The Y series only seemed to show up in Oz and NZ.. useful option on the flywheel for us downunder
The G52 has been sweet, if I change it I'll go for an R series. The transfer adapter I'm getting done at the mo will allow me to use it on the R series and A340 auto to bolt up the duals !

5M-E.. no one I know has done it, everybody wants the 5M-GE instead. Should be Ok tho, not sure on the power / torque tho compared to the GE ?

5M-E's power is much the same as the 22R-E, albeit a little gain. However for a six cylinder the swap shouldn't require a body lift as the engine is SOHC.

I think it'd be better for bottom end torque and longevity in a Lux.

Did u see my PM?

If my 4Y Flywheel is sweet... do i still need to replace any of hte clutch, or is that whole assembly sweet...

then to go with a 7MGE engine
i need some custom bellhousing,
An adapter plate for the Engine to Bolt up to my Manual G52 (changing to auto isnt an option, i love the manual),
The Midmount Sump / Oil Pump
Use the 7MGE Accelarator Cable

Then what is there electrically to take place then...


does this sound right?!?!

To bolt the 7M-GE to your G52 use a 5M-GE or 7M-GE bellhousing (it bolts to a W58 2WD gearbox). Same bellhousing will fit the G54, and W56 gearboxes. No specialty aftermarket bellhousing is required, it's a stock Toyota OEM part.

SupraSurf will have to answer your flywheel clutch issues regarding the 4Y flywheel. I'd think you'd want to use a stock 5M or 7M flywheel and clutch assy as they were designed for the 6 cylinder versus 4 cylinder engine.

You'll need the 5M or 7M ECU and wiring harness to slave into your existing system.

Some people change oil sumps and pickups, it all depends upon whether you're running a solid axle, IFS, and the amount of body/suspension lift - but I'm not experienced with all that as SupraSurf is.

Best places to look for the engines, ECU, etc!?!?!?!

anyone... just toyota wreckers or what?!?!

also, now i think i have hte details of what i need sorted

The 7MGE
The 7MGE Flywheel / Clutch Assembly (or 4Y)
The 7MGE Bellhousing ( manual )
22RE / 5M Engine Mounts
The 7MGE ECU, Wiring Harness
The 7M-GTE Sump / Oil Pump

As your in Oz and I'm NZ.... can't help you find an engine... check at the wreckers, Ebay, local rags etc...

In Oz you'll most likely find a 7M-GE in a Cressida, probably auto tho. Try and get the bellhousing from the auto, it could come in handy for making an adapter if you can't get a manual one.

The flywheel could be your 4Y otherwise the best find will be from a 5M-GE Celica Supra which is also the best source for the bellhousing. Give jr9162 a PM about the bellhousing, the 5M powered Supras are quite common in the US.

When you pull the motor from a Cressida you should be able to get the loom and ECU complete. I think I have some CCTS for the Cressida somewhere. Drop me a line when you find a motor.

The best option for an engine is to try and pickup a complete car so you don't miss anything. The return trips to the wrecker for an AFM or sensor are the costly ones.
Good luck.

Mike

thanks for all the help with this tuff fellas... much appreciated... will get onto the blokes down at scool who buy and sell cars like crazy and get them to keep a spare eye out for a 7MGE Cressida, as well as keeping eyes open... hopefully will be back here askin further questions before the end of the year... this tiem halfway throught he project

Also, one last question, can anyone tell me if the Front doors of a 1st Gen 4Runner, are the same door as a 2nd Gen Hilux, as a mate ruined his door, and can get one cheap of a 4runner... but doesnt want to drive a mile if it is slightly different

880-900 for engine and wiring harness and ECU

am i paying too much... and should i percerviere looking for a whole car....?!?!