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i have just got a 1977 fj45 ute and i was wondering if im able to turbo or supercharge the motor. the car is in bits and is my project till i get my license and also wat colour looks gud, i can not make up my mind ova metallic blue of the new ford xr's, metallic gunmetal grey or black....

Spend less on the paint and more on the driveline. If you are going to wheel this thing that paint will be a waste of time. if your not going to wheel it this is prob not the bb for you

I have seen a 2F with a turbo on it but it was a huge hassel to set up as the head dosen't have enough bolts on it to take that sort of pressure. the castlemain rod shop have a super charger kit that they put on holden red and ford x flow 6's that "could" be adapted, but again you still have the head problem among other things. Why not go a commodore V6 and T700 or an old carb 253. that way it's still under 5l and a lot simpler to engener. or you could go the 308 of 350 way. It's been done about 1000 000 times and if done right you would end up with a much better motor package.

Fieldsy wrote:Spend less on the paint and more on the driveline. If you are going to wheel this thing that paint will be a waste of time. if your not going to wheel it this is prob not the bb for you

I have seen a 2F with a turbo on it but it was a huge hassel to set up as the head dosen't have enough bolts on it to take that sort of pressure. the castlemain rod shop have a super charger kit that they put on holden red and ford x flow 6's that "could" be adapted, but again you still have the head problem among other things. Why not go a commodore V6 and T700 or an old carb 253. that way it's still under 5l and a lot simpler to engener. or you could go the 308 of 350 way. It's been done about 1000 000 times and if done right you would end up with a much better motor package.

head bolts prob may be fixed by using an ARP head stud kit???

Yeah could be but at the end of the day is it worth it? BTW I love the sound my 308 makes that alone made the conversion worth wile

yeh but since im im 16 and onli got an apprenticeship i need sumfin that has gud fuel consumption. i know the 2f isnt to good on fuel but just lookin for sumfin simple to get bit more power and maybe better fuel consumption not go all out with a engine conversion which are fairly dear.

A 2F and fuel economy
No matter what you do, a 2F will still drink

if you put more air in, you have to put more fuel in - forced induction will always lead to increased fuel consumption.

the 2F is not a good candidate for any form of forced induction. there are head problems as already indicated but they are the least of your worries - the crank is only supported in 5 main bearings and unless you are careful you'll twist it, which will probably destroy the engine.

if you are dead keen on forced induction then a turbo is your best bet with this motor - less crank horsepower required for a given flywheel horsepower, and potentially less heat stress, if you intercool. adding a little compression chamber volume in the form of dished pistons or a decompression plate would probably be a good idea too, but if you do that you will destroy the one thing the 2F has going for it as a petrol motor - it's diesel-like low RPM torque.

if you are indeed more keen on a boost to fuel efficiency then consider a diesel transplant - a 2H motor will give you about twice the efficiency of a 2F, with the option of turbocharging for more power later if you want it.

Matt_88 wrote:yeh but since im im 16 and onli got an apprenticeship i need sumfin that has gud fuel consumption. i know the 2f isnt to good on fuel but just lookin for sumfin simple to get bit more power and maybe better fuel consumption not go all out with a engine conversion which are fairly dear.

Yeah that’s what I thought too but putting in another motor was actually cheaper and easier than bombing up the 2F. forced induction on a 2F is not a simple thing to do at all

my 383 use's less gas, than my 2F used petrol. and it does it easier.

save your money and drop a 350 chev in. you can pick them up for about the same price you would spend on a supercharger/turbo for the 2F.

if you do go down the V8 path. dont bother with 253s. the only thing they are good for is noise. (note: 2F's are 258cu inch.<----LARGER )

then later supercharge the chevy

the good thing about the 253 is that because it's under 5l you don't have to do a disk brake conversion at the same time. (QLD) Not that I would recomand not doing it. one of the first things i did to my 40 was a 60s disk brake conversion. but if he's short on cash he could pick up a 253 for bugger all then when he's got more cash to spend on it down the track droping in a 308 would be a piece of piss. BUT if your after better fuel enonmey do a v6 or diesel.

383FJ45 wrote:my 383 use's less gas, than my 2F used petrol. and it does it easier.

save your money and drop a 350 chev in. you can pick them up for about the same price you would spend on a supercharger/turbo for the 2F.

if you do go down the V8 path. dont bother with 253s. the only thing they are good for is noise. (note: 2F's are 258cu inch.<----LARGER )

then later supercharge the chevy

I beg to differ - I bet my old shorty would have given you rig a run for its money on road

Offroad - no question my old 40 would have wooped ass

2F is not too bad on fuel if you fit extractors and a different carby.

The standard carby is a very old design, and in short a peice of shit.

Also, driving style: if you don't drive it like the sports car that you think it is then it doesnt chew that much petrol at all.

Best thing you can do is look around for an LP gas install - makes them cheaper to run then small 4cylinder econoboxes.

2f on lpg is the way to go
i use 18l of lpg per 100km at 100kmph on the freeway offroad i get a days driving easily outta 1 70l lpg tank so 35bux

i drove from melbourne to sale for 30bux about 300km then drove for the next 2 days 300km onroad and about 300 offroad for $70

i run twin tanks 75l usable each and have atleast a 600km range plus 100 reserve really

foad wrote:2F is not too bad on fuel if you fit extractors and a different carby.

The standard carby is a very old design, and in short a peice of shit.

Also, driving style: if you don't drive it like the sports car that you think it is then it doesnt chew that much petrol at all.

Best thing you can do is look around for an LP gas install - makes them cheaper to run then small 4cylinder econoboxes.

yeah true to all of that but the origanal carb was good off road compared to fitten a holley wich dies off road

somethin injected like a v6 comy motor wont get carby troubles half way up a hill climb

and lpg is more/high maintance to keep runnin sweet and being a young apprentice maintanence will be the last thing on his mind
i think weve all been that way inclind in our youth

a turbo can be fuel economical but being young it will have some go in it and he will wanna use it and again lost fuel econemy


altho as you said its all to do with drivin style u can have the most economical car on the market ya flogg the piss out of it and there goes the econemy

Be better to put up with the 2F until you can afford to change the motor to something better, cause it's unlikely it'll wear out.

Gas conversion 33`s and a 5 speed should be a good help

Hey,

Why not get 1JZ or 2JZ from toyota supra they have good power and torque and they have turbo on them, it may be cheaper to go on this path because these engines are in-line 6-cyl like 2F and there's heaps of them in wreckers priced around 2-3K for whole package

think about this path

I own RB30ET Patrol so i know forced engines does drink fuels! And you need to spend extra money to use higher octane fuel to give more power and relaiblity of forced iinduction engines

Cheers

Grant

Have you looked at putting a falcon 6 in there either 250xflow or 4L out of a ea-au there are a couple of 60ser in town and they go hard on and off road fuel injected and they take forced induction pretty well also very cheap to replace an engine if it does let go.

Mate for fuel economy your wasting ya time with 2F tiger.
I use 20 litres per 100kms.
so trust me DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!

go a V8 or diesel or save the $ from turboing and live with it!!!!

and on a similar note i must say having driven shorty40s old beast it was GRUNTY!!! - but he didnt mention the injection kit it had

if i was to put a ford or commodore v6 or straight 6 motor in it, which 1 should i go and how would i go bout gearboxes and all that, like would i keep mine or change it and wat bout transfer. if i was to keep 2f and change carby wat would i use, i need every little detail so i can make up my mind fast so i can get my baby on tha road lol.... cheers

What year is the beast, because if it has the fuel tank in the cab it's easier to fit an overdive box and/or a 5 speed. Whereas if you have a later model one, you'll prolly have to modify the fuel tank to fit any of these options.

Matt_88 wrote:if i was to put a ford or commodore v6 or straight 6 motor in it, which 1 should i go and how would i go bout gearboxes and all that, like would i keep mine or change it and wat bout transfer. if i was to keep 2f and change carby wat would i use, i need every little detail so i can make up my mind fast so i can get my baby on tha road lol.... cheers

i'd go with the falcon straight 6. they have loads of torque and good economy.
if you do pick the ford motor look for tickford motor from an XR6 or EF2 fairmaont ghia or later.
they have more torque and power again.
the ford motor is also alot smoother then the holden/buick V6
try to stay away from the the EA to EB1 motor as they have issues with the crank.
andy thing from EB2 would be great.
for gearboxes try the rodshop for a conversion kit or bellhousing.

brad-chevlux wrote:

Matt_88 wrote:if i was to put a ford or commodore v6 or straight 6 motor in it, which 1 should i go and how would i go bout gearboxes and all that, like would i keep mine or change it and wat bout transfer. if i was to keep 2f and change carby wat would i use, i need every little detail so i can make up my mind fast so i can get my baby on tha road lol.... cheers

i'd go with the falcon straight 6. they have loads of torque and good economy.
if you do pick the ford motor look for tickford motor from an XR6 or EF2 fairmaont ghia or later.
they have more torque and power again.
the ford motor is also alot smoother then the holden/buick V6
try to stay away from the the EA to EB1 motor as they have issues with the crank.
andy thing from EB2 would be great.
for gearboxes try the rodshop for a conversion kit or bellhousing.

By changing over to an EFI engine youd be looking at a while pile of electrical mods etc to make it work. = more $$$

Find a front cut 60/75 series with a 2H/1HZ and 5spd and swap it over... bucket loads of torque, heaps better fuel economy, no electrical issues or starving out on hills... winners all round!

hj 45 wrote:What year is the beast, because if it has the fuel tank in the cab it's easier to fit an overdive box and/or a 5 speed. Whereas if you have a later model one, you'll prolly have to modify the fuel tank to fit any of these options.

its a 1977, and yeh the tanks in the cab

+dj_hansen+ wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

Matt_88 wrote:if i was to put a ford or commodore v6 or straight 6 motor in it, which 1 should i go and how would i go bout gearboxes and all that, like would i keep mine or change it and wat bout transfer. if i was to keep 2f and change carby wat would i use, i need every little detail so i can make up my mind fast so i can get my baby on tha road lol.... cheers

i'd go with the falcon straight 6. they have loads of torque and good economy.
if you do pick the ford motor look for tickford motor from an XR6 or EF2 fairmaont ghia or later.
they have more torque and power again.
the ford motor is also alot smoother then the holden/buick V6
try to stay away from the the EA to EB1 motor as they have issues with the crank.
andy thing from EB2 would be great.
for gearboxes try the rodshop for a conversion kit or bellhousing.

By changing over to an EFI engine youd be looking at a while pile of electrical mods etc to make it work. = more $$$

Find a front cut 60/75 series with a 2H/1HZ and 5spd and swap it over... bucket loads of torque, heaps better fuel economy, no electrical issues or starving out on hills... winners all round!

wats the difference between 2h and 1hz?

+dj_hansen+ wrote:

brad-chevlux wrote:

Matt_88 wrote:if i was to put a ford or commodore v6 or straight 6 motor in it, which 1 should i go and how would i go bout gearboxes and all that, like would i keep mine or change it and wat bout transfer. if i was to keep 2f and change carby wat would i use, i need every little detail so i can make up my mind fast so i can get my baby on tha road lol.... cheers

i'd go with the falcon straight 6. they have loads of torque and good economy.
if you do pick the ford motor look for tickford motor from an XR6 or EF2 fairmaont ghia or later.
they have more torque and power again.
the ford motor is also alot smoother then the holden/buick V6
try to stay away from the the EA to EB1 motor as they have issues with the crank.
andy thing from EB2 would be great.
for gearboxes try the rodshop for a conversion kit or bellhousing.

By changing over to an EFI engine youd be looking at a while pile of electrical mods etc to make it work. = more $$$

Find a front cut 60/75 series with a 2H/1HZ and 5spd and swap it over... bucket loads of torque, heaps better fuel economy, no electrical issues or starving out on hills... winners all round!

yeah our auto lecy charged us 500 to wire up our last conversion but that was a bit more technical than a falcon engine, most of it is plug and play, engine harness to ECU then your tach signle, oil pressure and temp, find your ECU power and earth wires and a feul pump relay.
and because there are no body electrics to splice into with a 45 there is alot less hasle.
it's nothing that a keen punter couldn't do.

it would almost be as mauch hasle trying to put a 1HZin, with the current engine being a petrol

Both the 2H-1HZ engines have reliability issues and the power is not all that great. You should be able to get a falcon 6 in and running for $2500-$3000 if you can do most of it yourself. Or you can start with a 250x-flow in and running for $1000-$1500 then upgrade at a later date as the engines use the same mounting points.

skootin wrote:Both the 2H-1HZ engines have reliability issues and the power is not all that great. You should be able to get a falcon 6 in and running for $2500-$3000 if you can do most of it yourself. Or you can start with a 250x-flow in and running for $1000-$1500 then upgrade at a later date as the engines use the same mounting points.

now when u say "as the engines use the same mounting points" is that the 2f and the ford motors or is that jsut the 2 ford motors?

dude seriously, swapping engines sounds easy and looks good on paper, but i've done it and believe me, even an experienced mechanic will tell you, they are all different. something will come up and you'll end up spending way more than you thought you would. i put a 350 chev in my 82model 40, it cost me a truck load more than i thought it would. don't get me wrong i love it and all the money i spent on it was worth it, but be prepared for lots of extra money!!!!!!!
good luck......

the ford engines are the same