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Snapped my snatchy on the weekend trying to pull a nissan out of a very deep bog hole.
Should it have broken.
Whos's broken em before, how strong, tuff should they be.
Steve

I've broken the big ARB one before

check the latest 4wd monthly, actually it's last months.

super cheap $29.99 was the strongest - outrated arb snatches by like 2000kg

Depends on the load applied and the 'Dynamic Forces' applied.
Ie how much force = weight of vehicle + resistance from long deep mud hole (lots).
Dynamic forces are harder to explain.
Imagine a 2 tonne vehicle bogged with another tonne of resistance built up in the mud using a 8000kg snatch strap.
Driver 1 snatches at a brisk walking pace and vehicle hestates then rises out of the bog. Easy, low dynamic forces total pull is less than the 8000kg WLL of the snatch.
Driver 2 drives off hell for leather and snaps the snatch in two.
Dynamic forces are the reason for the breakage as the total load applied is the weight of vehicle, resistance in mud and acceleration.
Make sense? Clear as mud

Must admit i yanked on that babe harder than I ever have.
Couldn't get it out otherwise.
ended up getting it out with another strap but bit took a bit

bruiser wrote:Must admit i yanked on that babe harder than I ever have.
Couldn't get it out otherwise.
ended up getting it out with another strap but bit took a bit

heard of using a shovel to remove some of the load?

Mate you would not sugest that if you scene it.
it was almost over the bonnet, but the worst thing was the pit was only just as long as the car. As in 45 degree out right in front and right behind.

where was this at

bruiser wrote:Mate you would not sugest that if you scene it.
it was almost over the bonnet, but the worst thing was the pit was only just as long as the car. As in 45 degree out right in front and right behind.

yep that would do it. I'm surprised you didn't break anything on the stuck car, be thankfl you only broke a strap. Still a bit of shovel work, no matter how hard would have helped the situation no end.

Mate you would not sugest that if you scene it.
it was almost over the bonnet, but the worst thing was the pit was only just as long as the car. As in 45 degree out right in front and right behind.

A local track is like that for most of its length. Soft clay bottom to these holes and deep enough that the roof of a lifted GQ is almost level with the side of the track.......so we use a short 2.5m to 3m strap. Back the recovery vehicle up to the edge of the hole and move forward gently once connected. Nose of stuck truck rises up the 45 degree slope and out it comes.

A long strap (6m) just pulls the stuck vehicle into the bank and not up it. Its horses for courses.

As already mentioned, A short strap is really useful where the hole is deep. A mate was bogged really badly once and we were really struggling to get him out. In the end, we doubled, then redoubled a strap to get as clsoe as we could. This sort of lifted him at the same time as towed him. Instead of lunging really hard on each go, we almost idled out with the shorter strap. In fact it became more of a tow than a snatch.

Having said that, you cant always get close enough for a short strap like this

Sounded like time for a winch.

Bazzle

like this?

Short strap definately the go for this. That it what I ended up using and worked well.
Shovel could have worked but stuff that in waist deep mud.

Also, he had a fairly new looking winch but it was under mud.

Should a winch stiil work under mud.

How old was the strap? Or how many times had it been used?

I have broken a strap twice...both were not mine and they were of poor quality and were been used to detach a vehicle that was stuck somewhere they shouldn't have been and required aggressive action....winch wasn't used as it broke the sheer pin before I got there

I broke a strap pulling out a nissan patrol SWB from a mudpit. Very good lesson learnt DO NOT use other people gear!! The strap hit my number plate and bent the panel right back to the spare tyre. Like 20cm. Looked like a banana, it also left a HUGE dent in my ute tub door. Let me tell you I was not happy.

be thankfull it was only the strap and not the recovery points.
ive broken a few straps but no points.
if it was a gu ,be careful as the front recoverty point gets bashed when 4wdriving.

i run ''just straps '' gear works quiet well and haven't broken it yet also take the time to soak it and wash it keeps the rig clean lol but keeps the grit out of it too

Broke a TJM 9000pound trying to get a palm tree out of a hole

Chook wrote:Broke a TJM 9000pound trying to get a palm tree out of a hole

thunder wrote:be thankfull it was only the strap and not the recovery points.
ive broken a few straps but no points.
if it was a gu ,be careful as the front recoverty point gets bashed when 4wdriving.

Not wrong there. I recently was stuck and when a mate went to pull me out the recovery point wasn't there!
It had snapped of at the first bolt.

GUJohnno wrote:

thunder wrote:be thankfull it was only the strap and not the recovery points.
ive broken a few straps but no points.
if it was a gu ,be careful as the front recoverty point gets bashed when 4wdriving.

Not wrong there. I recently was stuck and when a mate went to pull me out the recovery point wasn't there!
It had snapped of at the first bolt.

d'oh!

robbie wrote:
d'oh!

At least it didn't come off under a snatching excercise

true that

bruiser wrote:Short strap definately the go for this. That it what I ended up using and worked well.
Shovel could have worked but stuff that in waist deep mud.

Also, he had a fairly new looking winch but it was under mud.

Should a winch stiil work under mud.

Winches work very well under mud.

Look at the comp guys who bury there selves into muddy banks.

Bazzle

Snatch straps only have a limited life. Pretty good too for what they do and the $$$ they recover.

They will take many light statches but a few at rated load will reduce the flexibility until one day no stretch and will break.

You can "feel" when they are starting to go off as their is no spring when pulling.


Bazzle

Never broken one. I carry several types and use the correct one and apply the correct techniques every time. Maybe that is the key...

Even the old ones get recycled - cut in half they are great for dragging firewood back to camp and lighter than a chain to carry.

I've broken a couple, the first one cost me a tailgate skin even tho much of the force went into the spare wheel !!!

It was an "old" strap and had done somewhere in the vacinity of 100 snatches. It broke 6" from the loop end on the other vehicle !

By the sounds of your situation I'd have suggested that 2 snatches be used instead of one...thats 2 snatches side by side not joined in one long length, but a winch would have certainly been the ultimate recovery aid in such a tough recovery.

Kingy

I've seen about 3-4 straps break over the years.
Two of them were definately frayed at one end, which was a good reason for them to break.

Did something stupid once too, tried to remove someone's tow hitch from it's receiver with a snatch strap!

Luckily the hitch hit my bashplate and not my windscreen...