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Flat springs as aresult of long shackles

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:52 am
by roberts
just fitted longer shackles

have noticed that the front springs are now completly flat from the axle to the shackle

the shackle sits straight up

Is this ok i havent wheeled it yet

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:28 pm
by Slayer
flat springs are good!.. :armsup:


a verticle shackle isnt so good.. wheel it and see how u go.. chances are they will outflex your brakelines if u havnt got longer ones, your driveshaft if u havnt got it extended or got a spacer fitted..

cant really tell much till u wheel it..
dont worry about anythin tho, its normal.. to have the things u describe when longer shackles are put in the front of a lux..

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:47 pm
by high n mighty
Make sure that the torque bar isn't holding them back either. Myself and numerous others from this board have had torn brackets and chassis from too much and ext shackles etc.

Is the D/S spring a lil flatter and D/S sits a lil lower?

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:37 pm
by BOGAN V8
high n mighty wrote:Make sure that the torque bar isn't holding them back either. Myself and numerous others from this board have had torn brackets and chassis from too much and ext shackles etc.

Is the D/S spring a lil flatter and D/S sits a lil lower?


Hell yeah check the bracket its something you dont want to happen :bad-words: :bad-words: :bad-words: :bad-words:

Big pain in the a$$ to fixs

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:43 pm
by Gribble
BOGAN wrote:
high n mighty wrote:Make sure that the torque bar isn't holding them back either. Myself and numerous others from this board have had torn brackets and chassis from too much and ext shackles etc.

Is the D/S spring a lil flatter and D/S sits a lil lower?


Hell yeah check the bracket its something you dont want to happen :bad-words: :bad-words: :bad-words: :bad-words:

Big pain in the a$$ to fixs


Just get x-over and it wont happen. :D

Costs a bit though.

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:20 am
by roberts
Slayer wrote:flat springs are good!.. :armsup:


a verticle shackle isnt so good.. wheel it and see how u go.. chances are they will outflex your brakelines if u havnt got longer ones, your driveshaft if u havnt got it extended or got a spacer fitted..

cant really tell much till u wheel it..
dont worry about anythin tho, its normal.. to have the things u describe when longer shackles are put in the front of a lux..


yeh havent wheeled it as my shocks and brake lines a now all most maxed out the backs are a full extention on flat ground and the the front have about an inch

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:21 am
by roberts
high n mighty wrote:Make sure that the torque bar isn't holding them back either. Myself and numerous others from this board have had torn brackets and chassis from too much and ext shackles etc.

Is the D/S spring a lil flatter and D/S sits a lil lower?


i installed an adjustable diff locator when i did the shackles so thats all good

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:32 pm
by Gribble
roberts wrote:
high n mighty wrote:Make sure that the torque bar isn't holding them back either. Myself and numerous others from this board have had torn brackets and chassis from too much and ext shackles etc.

Is the D/S spring a lil flatter and D/S sits a lil lower?


i installed an adjustable diff locator when i did the shackles so thats all good


So did i, and i still broke the f*ckin tourque rod mount off the chassis.
Fixxed that and then broke off the spring hanger.

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:14 pm
by high n mighty
Gribble wrote:
roberts wrote:
high n mighty wrote:Make sure that the torque bar isn't holding them back either. Myself and numerous others from this board have had torn brackets and chassis from too much and ext shackles etc.

Is the D/S spring a lil flatter and D/S sits a lil lower?


i installed an adjustable diff locator when i did the shackles so thats all good


So did i, and i still broke the f*ckin tourque rod mount off the chassis.
Fixxed that and then broke off the spring hanger.


Torque rod is mainly affected by lift so the locator wont really make any diff to this problem at all.

But my question to you was, is the d/s sitting lower?

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:37 pm
by diesel028
i feel sorry for you guys tearing the diff locator mount outta the side of your chassis rail. My adjustable diff locator just snapped instead....... which still sux, but is alot easier to fix than a torn mount.

My d/s springs are flatter and sits lower than p/s

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:44 pm
by batcho101
sorry to hijack but hwo bad is it to drive without the diff locator in?

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:49 pm
by diesel028
i havnt had mine in there for a month or two. its not the best, get a bit of brake steer, but if you just take it easy and dont jam the brakes on (barring an emergency) its not too bad

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:51 pm
by batcho101
mien already has a bit of brake steer btu only if u lock up the brakes so i was gonna take it otu an djsut see hwo it feels

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:03 pm
by Gribble
My d/s spring sags lower that the p/s because when i still had the standard steering set-up with lift, the torque rod would fight the spring and make the diff twist forward or backward with suspension travel, making the spring fail prematurely. This was about 3 months after having it reset. Ever since ive had x-over the spring has not sagged one mm.

Plus there is a little optical illusion going on with the flat look of the d/s compared to the p/s because the diff centre makes the d/s spring perch higher. Thats why every time you buy a set of hilux front springs one has a "Drivers Side" sticker on it.

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:22 am
by roberts
the springs sit the same on both sides the suspention shop said no worries

so yeah, deseil28 what sort of diff locator did you have thta snaped, who made it

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:23 pm
by My Lil Lux
batcho101 wrote:sorry to hijack but hwo bad is it to drive without the diff locator in?


Not bad till ya wanna stop, then it's a case of hang on and enjoy the ride. :D

Will also stuff your springs prematurely, mine look like a W shape ATM, as I ran without one for about 3 months after I ripped the mount out of my chassis, and then broke front spring hanger as mentioned by Gribble.