Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Hi to the West Aussies.

I am moving to WA in June and I want to bring my Landcruiser. I am trying to get an idea of how hard it is going to be to get it registered there. It is an FJ40 with a small amount of lift and a 5 litre V8. The front end has disk brakes. Apart from that, it is basically stock. Will I need an engineering cert?

Cheers

Ben

You will probably need an engineering cert for the motor, but this should not be too difficult. If you have more than 50mm total lift (incl. tyres) they may want you to do a lane change test which will be expensive. Having said that there are some fj40s here with spring over conversions running 35s that are not approved.
You can contact the licencing people on (08) 9427 6404. be sure to get something in writing from them.
You may also like to speak to Russ at OL in balcatta (08) 9345 4877. He may be able to help you with a certificate for the motor.
You might get some more feedback if you post this query on http://www.perth4x4.net/
Welcome to the West, theres a f@ckload of 4wd driving to be done.

vraamm wrote:You will probably need an engineering cert for the motor, but this should not be too difficult. If you have more than 50mm total lift (incl. tyres) they may want you to do a lane change test which will be expensive. Having said that there are some fj40s here with spring over conversions running 35s that are not approved.
You can contact the licencing people on (08) 9427 6404. be sure to get something in writing from them.
You may also like to speak to Russ at OL in balcatta (08) 9345 4877. He may be able to help you with a certificate for the motor.
You might get some more feedback if you post this query on http://www.perth4x4.net/
Welcome to the West, theres a f@ckload of 4wd driving to be done.

Are there any approved SOA Cruisers getting around?

i don't know of any but its likely that there are as it was just a matter of getting a engineers cert for that mod in the past, then taking it over the pits. Now it seems like it is going to be more difficult to do this with the lane change test. Ive heard of big hiluxes, 80series and lifted patrols passing the test. so i think for an fj40 its not so much will you pass, but is it worth the expense? There is also much debate about whether they have legal right to enforce this test, which has already been dicussed on this forum.

I don't think you will have a problem. There is a guy here in Perth that has a 3" lift and 33" tyres.

He went over the pits without doing a lane change test and they passed him.

They didn't even take the car for a drive.

CrazyNuts wrote:I don't think you will have a problem. There is a guy here in Perth that has a 3" lift and 33" tyres.

He went over the pits without doing a lane change test and they passed him.

They didn't even take the car for a drive.

But is this lift noted on the mod forms?? I doubt it, therfore if he has an acident then he is stuffed.

If you have a lift more then 50mm above standard (this includes suspension, tyres and body lift) then you must do a lane change test to be legal. The lift is noted on your modification forms and you are totally legal. I went over the pits back in 1996 I was running 35's, 2.5" BL and 3.5" of suspension lift. It all passed, BUT the rules have change and becuase it is not noted on my mod forms (as lifts and tyres were not noted on mods forms in 1996) I am technically illegal and need to do a lane change test.

You should ring DPI and see what they say. I do not think you will have any troubles you just might have to get a lane change test done and get an engineer to look at the engine conversion.

BTW the DPI is very slow at the moment I have been waiting for 8 weeks so far to get mods approved. This is pre-approval before I start the mods

Chris.

Im also told ALL engine conversions need an engineers report

Some people were getting away with replacing a v8 with a bigger capacity v8 by doing an engine swap form

No longer Im told

cbr wrote:

CrazyNuts wrote:I don't think you will have a problem. There is a guy here in Perth that has a 3" lift and 33" tyres.

He went over the pits without doing a lane change test and they passed him.

They didn't even take the car for a drive.

But is this lift noted on the mod forms?? I doubt it, therfore if he has an acident then he is stuffed.

If you have a lift more then 50mm above standard (this includes suspension, tyres and body lift) then you must do a lane change test to be legal. The lift is noted on your modification forms and you are totally legal. I went over the pits back in 1996 I was running 35's, 2.5" BL and 3.5" of suspension lift. It all passed, BUT the rules have change and becuase it is not noted on my mod forms (as lifts and tyres were not noted on mods forms in 1996) I am technically illegal and need to do a lane change test.

You should ring DPI and see what they say. I do not think you will have any troubles you just might have to get a lane change test done and get an engineer to look at the engine conversion.

BTW the DPI is very slow at the moment I have been waiting for 8 weeks so far to get mods approved. This is pre-approval before I start the mods

Chris.

I don't know Christian

I thought that passing the pits is all that counts. And yes...all the mods were listed thus making the vehicle "road worthy" This is all the insurance companies are interested in.

CrazyNuts wrote:

cbr wrote:

CrazyNuts wrote:I don't think you will have a problem. There is a guy here in Perth that has a 3" lift and 33" tyres.

He went over the pits without doing a lane change test and they passed him.

They didn't even take the car for a drive.

But is this lift noted on the mod forms?? I doubt it, therfore if he has an acident then he is stuffed.

If you have a lift more then 50mm above standard (this includes suspension, tyres and body lift) then you must do a lane change test to be legal. The lift is noted on your modification forms and you are totally legal. I went over the pits back in 1996 I was running 35's, 2.5" BL and 3.5" of suspension lift. It all passed, BUT the rules have change and becuase it is not noted on my mod forms (as lifts and tyres were not noted on mods forms in 1996) I am technically illegal and need to do a lane change test.

You should ring DPI and see what they say. I do not think you will have any troubles you just might have to get a lane change test done and get an engineer to look at the engine conversion.

BTW the DPI is very slow at the moment I have been waiting for 8 weeks so far to get mods approved. This is pre-approval before I start the mods

Chris.

I don't know Christian

I thought that passing the pits is all that counts. And yes...all the mods were listed thus making the vehicle "road worthy" This is all the insurance companies are interested in.

Having been told by DPI my 4x4 is now ilegal because in 1996 that 35's and lifts where not ilegal and they did not care about them. So on my mods forms I have V8 conversion, 2.5" body lift and a few other things. But because the tyres and suspension lift are not listed, it is not legal, even though it went over the pits. It sucks but I am getting other mods approved and getting everything noted on the forms.

Passing over the pits does not make it legal. The onus is still on you to ensure your vehicle meets all curent rulings and ADR's. So even if you are passed by the pits with illeagl mods, it is up to you to ensure they are legal. So if you have an acident and your 4x4 is illegal then you are stuffed.

Personally insurance companies is the least of your problems. If you kill someone and have illegal mods then you could go to jail This is why I do not drive my 4x4 at the moment.

I am making my 4x4 100% legal to protect me, I do not want to end up in jail. You may think it is far fetch, but the engineer I am going to use, was called in court about a illegal lifted 4x4 that rolled and killed a person. The owner was sent to jail . This happened in WA.

Chris.