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Drilling hardened shafts

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:05 pm
by antt
i need an engineering place in brisbane or goldy that would be able to drill and tap the hardened output shafts from my tcase for me. anyone know of a good place to go to

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:35 pm
by antt
or even advice on which sorta drill bits i need to drill the shafts myself, and i'll just get a shop to tap them. cause a normal drill bit didn't even leave a mark on them

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:44 pm
by ISUZUROVER
Drilling is not usually the hard part, tapping the shaft without breaking the tap is. If the shaft is very hard you may have to anneal it first and then re-harden it afterwards. If it was only induction hardened when made, it may be reasonably soft in the middle (assuming you want to drill and tap along the length of the shaft).

In the past for similar stuff I have just used a normal (but very good quality) HSS drill bit, that was sharpened very well and I went slowly. If possible I always drilled it in a lathe rather than a drill press.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:46 pm
by Strange Rover
The shaft might only be hard on the surface so you could cut the end 5mm off the shaft and then drill and tap as normal (works on the mog pinions)

If the shaft is through hardned then this wont work.

Sam

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:02 pm
by antt
hmmm, that is a good idea sam. i recall reading that the hardening is only thin, so this could be the solution

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:10 am
by dumbdunce
budget tip: you can use carbide tipped masonry bits for drilling hardened steel - you obviously have to put an edge on them which takes a bit of time but the results are pretty good. as I have said before - take it slow with plenty of lube ;)

as others have suggested, the shaft is probably not hard in the middle so once you drill through the crust it should go easily, and if you mean to drill into the end of a shaft, do it in a lathe, or it will never be straight.

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:14 pm
by mkpatrol
dumbdunce wrote: take it slow with plenty of lube

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Your not talking to Grimace you know :D

Re: Drilling hardened shafts

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:13 pm
by Steve F
antt wrote:i need an engineering place in brisbane or goldy that would be able to drill and tap the hardened output shafts from my tcase for me. anyone know of a good place to go to


Did this myself a few weeks ago on the Jeep, after cutting the end off the shaft it was fairly easy to drill although starting with a nice small bit certainly helped as the larger bits would easily go to the same depth but no further. It took me about 30 minutes to drill and tap into the end of my output shaft after the end was cut off.

Cheers
Steve

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:19 pm
by dumbdunce
mkpatrol wrote:
dumbdunce wrote: take it slow with plenty of lube

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Your not talking to Grimace you know :D


that's funny cos I thought Grimmus would be all over any thread containing the words "Drill", "hardened" and "shaft"...

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:20 pm
by mkpatrol
dumbdunce wrote:
mkpatrol wrote:
dumbdunce wrote: take it slow with plenty of lube

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Your not talking to Grimace you know :D


that's funny cos I thought Grimmus would be all over any thread containing the words "Drill", "hardened" and "shaft"...


Not to mention 'lube'

Re: Drilling hardened shafts

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:16 pm
by antt
Steve F wrote:
antt wrote:i need an engineering place in brisbane or goldy that would be able to drill and tap the hardened output shafts from my tcase for me. anyone know of a good place to go to


Did this myself a few weeks ago on the Jeep, after cutting the end off the shaft it was fairly easy to drill although starting with a nice small bit certainly helped as the larger bits would easily go to the same depth but no further. It took me about 30 minutes to drill and tap into the end of my output shaft after the end was cut off.

Cheers
Steve


cheers mate, i think i will go this way and give it a crack myself this weekend. still not very confident about tapping it though, might get someone to do that

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:29 pm
by MARKx4
If it case hardned the hardening process only penetrates no more then half a mm. So if you give the surface a light touch with the grinder, you should be able to drill and tap like normal.