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Has anyone done this before? I ran a search but couldn't find anything.

the reason i ask is cos G16B vit motors are getting old now, an I managed to pick up a pair of 2001 G16B's out of balenos with ecu's and looms cheap. Both have VERY low k's.

What issue may there be fitting this motor..ie, sumps, clutches, starters etc...

Cheers
Pete

How cheap is cheap? What do they go for?

Gutless I would have thought that if it is the same block number then the Gbox’s that fit the vit motor would fit the other motor.

I think the issues you might have are all up top, being that it is a east-west motor.. Things to look for would be coil position and water hoses.

From memory when Sam retro fitted his motor, he had to run the hose from the back of the engine bay to the front.

What’s wrong with the V6?

HEy dude i got a single point vit motor in my zook and the only mods i had to do was.

Move the drivers side engine mount back by about twenty mil

On the gearbox i had to move the bottom bolt holes out.

The top bolt hole will line up you just gotta drill them out and fit slightly bigger dowels then work out how far to move the bottom holes.
apart from that it fairly straight foward email if you want any more info.

i have a single point engine out of a swift g16b all i had too do was change the cam and dizzy for a vitara one.

they both have electronic ignitions ( so they have coil packs instead of dizzy, and use a CAS)

Dewse: this is for my runabout zook I have a vit 5sp under the house now too...

OldGold: Considering that 16v vitara motors with loom and ecu are being sold for $1200-$2000 depending on who you speak to, and that will be a mid 90's model, I paid 2 large for both engines, ecu's and looms. All sensors etc are included, aswell as airboxes etc... both are '01 models and one has under 30,000km, and other has under 65000km

Will I have to run a vit clutch? or will the baleno one do? I think its about 15mm larger in Dia....

no use the 1.3 flyweel and clutch unless your running the vit gearbox

I think that price is considered a steal in anyone's langauge!

be careful, they don't do oil changes and they run sinthetic oil other there.
I have heard of import engines blowing up in australia from running different oil and fuel.
Should look into it

Ahh, the import myths.

There are good and bad owners in Japan just as there are good and bad owners here.

"Base" fuel in japan is around 91 octane, just like here. "Premium" fuel is 98-99 octane, and there is better fuel than that available . Japanese engines are tuned to run just fine on what is available here. Generally, their emmisions regs are a bit more lenient than ours which is why a) jap specs for power are often a little bit higher and B) any engineer worth his salt will be very reluctant about engineering a car with an import motor in it.

I can assure you that not everyone runs synthetic oil in japan. I'm sure there are more synthetic users though.

Many of the import myths are associated with the "performance" engines that often come into the country having being used hard, poorly or incompletely modified and tuned, and reliant on good fuel to compensate for laksidasical tuning.

I think that an import G16B with low kays on could be expected to run as reliably as one pruchased from a wreck here.

I owned a cappucino for 10 months, and have seen joey's import SR20 converted carworking hard on plenty of trips, esp. when it was in the SWB, and have heaped plenty of my own abuse on the import 16v G16 in critta and the F6a in gregs car. (Which I fitted) all of these engines are ex japan, and they all look to be in pretty good health. None of them have "blown up" used oil, or otherwise given any trouble (except for the timing belt failure in Critta) regardless of how long they have spent on the rev limiter.

Tim D wrote:be careful, they don't do oil changes and they run sinthetic oil other there.
I have heard of import engines blowing up in australia from running different oil and fuel.
Should look into it

Well its a good thing they are out of aussie balenos

they aren't imports....still being striped from wrecks at the wrecker ATM. I get them in 2 weeks. I have seen them, and compliance plates are australian...

BTW, my brother lives in Japan, and owns a GT forester. They service their cars very well in general, and there is nothing wrong with synthetic oils. Most new cars have synthetic oils recommended by the manufacturer.

Fuel is an issue tho, as they get 108 octane fuel as standard, so ECU should be remapped for aussie fuel when buying an import motor ( just to be safe)

Pete

I have never heard of 108 pump fuel in japan. I have heared of 104 available at a small number of outlets. It is extremely expensive.

108 is significantly higher than avgas and most race fuels.

It is my understanding is that Octane is measured in two different ways often causing confusion (well it oftent the case in other measurement's too) but i always thought the reason the Jap specs where higher was because they often had higher compression (eg GTi vs Cultus) and didn't retard the timing as much

but even if the emissions of a new model Jap car was more lenient the flip side is their renewl of registration is by far more stringent so the car has to maintain it's standard (where as an 'Aussie' car probably gradually detriates over time to exceed most standards, which unless it noticebly blows smoke it will never be pulled up on)

Bit of a difference?

wow the length difference is pretty extreme do you relocate the transfer fitting these

The vit gearbox still has the transfer attatched to it.

The baleno motor with the vit g'box and t'fer is actually shorter than the 1 litre/ gearbox, jack shaft and transfer

I may need new drive shafts too

I think the difference in gearbox size is the most impressive thing

Gutless wrote:The vit gearbox still has the transfer attatched to it.

doh stupid hangover that'd be the 2nd shifter stoopid

ok found a few things out today.

Need a vitara clutch ( and maybe flywheel) as the baleno clutch is 18 spline and the vit gearbox is 20

Need a custom reverse sump, but can't just bolt on a vitara one cos of the CAS ( crank angle sensor)

Need to "modify" the firewall where the rear water pipe is and make a 90 degre adapter for the thermostat housing to give more clearance around the firewall

Need custom water pipes ( not hard to make) cos all the water inlets/outlets are setup for east west mounting. ( i already knew this )

And I am dure there will be other issues too

I know this is a bit late but anyone still looking at doing this conversion give Peter at Suzukishop in perth a call or email. www.suzukishop.com.au He did this conversion for me. It worked out really well and looks very factory.

Tim