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Hello people,
I was just hoping to get as much info as possible before I pester some shops for info about running a tb42E with turbo with an aftermarket engine management system. (ie autronic etc)

I am hoping to hear from the guys that have turbos on these motors with some reports on what is needed etc and how they went.

I am sorry I am green as grass with this hi tech stuff

Id look for a straight plug in one first like the Wolf. I know they make them for skyline R32, I think the plugs / pinouts are the same for GQ.

go for something like a Autronic and that will also get rid of that crap air mass meter. they are a good unit with no real problems. easy to install in a day.

It will cost around $8000 - $9000 to get a kit fitted with 175 rear wheel kws.

LudaCris

[quote="ludacris"]It will cost around $8000 - $9000 to get a kit fitted with 175 rear wheel kws.

does this include the price of the engine? does it need internal parts or mods?
personally i think that it a lot of cash. But is also alot of power.
If you nutted it out yourself then paid someone to do the tunning i reckon that you could do it much cheaper.

this might be a helph ttp://www.turbofast.com.au/javacalc.html.
will be interested in the outcome of this if go's ahead.

cheers wes

Yep it is a lot of cash. They do open the engine up and change and smooth of a few things but they dont really change the bottom end as it is tough as already. You would want to make sure the engine is in good condition and is EFI as they bolt up a new engine management system and Dyno it to perfection.


I can also organise 300 to 320 at the fly wheel Turbo Kits for TD 42 which includes a super dooper pump reco pump with new top end and special little bits but no exhuast for $5000 to $5500. Add another $1000 for fitting and dyno tuning.

LudaCris

How would you like 220kw at the wheels using 35" tyres, kw depend on how much you spend. Do it youself & get it wrong & you will pay a huge price, get it done by someone who has sorted all the probs. www.ontrack4x4.net.au

What you want is 265kw at wheels on 35's-Supercharged Gen3

why put a nissan donk back in there. for the cost of an adaptor plate you can run the falcon xr6 turbo which go for around th $5000 mark. 240kw 450nm stock, easy to tune for more, factory realibility, factory stable pre programmed ecu etc. unless you spend big dollars an aftermarket computer wil be marginal and is still only as good as the guy that programmes it. cheers mate

bru

xr6 is a top motor.(I know of one around here with 300kw at the wheels with fuck all done to it to achieve this.) But I was not aware there would be an adaptor to suit. I really don't want to go thru the headache of getting one made either.

It would be all the little bugs that would stuff ya up and that is part of the reason I am tossing up the idea of putting a nissan 6 back in the old girl.
6 cyl rego. will be easy for parts and engineering etc. and can get some good power from em when done properly.

The figure given for 8000-9000 is ridiculous really. And I know I wont have to spend that much. (If I did it would be a full rebuild etc that is for sure)

Am still not sure and I just like to throw a few ideas around.

I know of an xr6 motor for sale and this would be awesome for grunt but the adaptor thing is a prob.

Keep the info flowing but I need it ha ha

Cheers
Brian

you may run into problems using the xr6 motor unless you wanted to use the gearbox as well

i thought the two run off a combination of inputs into its ecu
so maybe look into a adapter from gearbox to transfer

triptronic gearbox for 4wding

also this would be different

Yeah I really didn't think this would be much of an option. The motor is really nice though!!!

Just another reason to put the nissan stuff back in. Everything would bolt up. Should be plenty of power to especially for what I do.

(Hey Bartso ya parts left this morning mate so should be at ya door soon or 2morro) I sprayed em with some wd40 to stop any rusting if ya don't use em for a while. hope all goes well.

Cheers
Brian

TUFFRANGIE wrote:What you want is 265kw at wheels on 35's-Supercharged Gen3

is this rohans?

Hey,

The setup is similar to Nigel @ Ice Performance GQ Shorty if you want more info he's quadcamshorty in this forum talked to him myself, nice bloke really knows his stuff... he is using Autronic smc 2 cdi (i think)

Yes, XR6T motor is great but, everything is in wrong side! other option is VL Dunnydore turbo (RB30ET)

Hope it helps

Cheers

Grant

cheers mate received them

but i would look at a gen 3 for price and how many km's its done then way up the cost of turbo the tb42 and if the engine needs a rebuild or not you can always go bigger with the gen 3

i would way up cost between the two

McJeff wrote:
Yes, XR6T motor is great but, everything is in wrong side! other option is VL Dunnydore turbo (RB30ET)

Hope it helps

Cheers

Grant

But is the inlet and exhuast being on the other side a real issue. If you want to use the falcon inlet the air intake is actually on the correct side. Just would mean the exhuast runs down the drivers side.
I know this cos a mate has a XR6T and I was dreaming of the conversion the other week.

My 4500 fat GU is no rocket ship but is quicker in the sand at Robe than a GQ wagon fitted with GEN III that i dragged off, i think the owner was as surprised as i but it wasn't very quick. They might be quick in a 1500kg vehicle but not when they are in a 3t 4wd. Shit a super charged Gen III would use a heap of fuel in a patrol wouldn't they?

Hey,

Yes i forgot about the inlet piping xr6t has, silly me...

Cheers

Grant

Hey all, i have a 01 ss ute with a gen 3 6sp for a daily driver and with 210kw at the wheels its not what i call impresive, personally, i thought about the gen 3 option but after having one in the ute for nearly 2 years i would rather spend the money on something else, like robbo said, in something as heavy as a patrol i dont think it would be a good idea

just my 2c worth

thanks for all the replies people.

I have spoken to nigel at ICE and yes he is a top fella to talk to. Hope to talk to him again when he has completed his project.

It really does seem to come down to how far ya want to go with these motors. Basic turbo set up would be quite cheap especially when you use a diesel turbo manifold and keep the thing mild.

From all reports Autronic is the computer of choice (these are expensive little suckers) I guess matching the turbo for the engine will help a lot but I am not sure what turbos guys are bolting on.

I think I will get my mate to run some numbers thru his computer to find one that will suit.

Keep the tech flowing I think this turbo tb42 thing will be quite popular.

Cheers
Brian

morkz wrote:

TUFFRANGIE wrote:What you want is 265kw at wheels on 35's-Supercharged Gen3

is this rohans?

Yeah it is mate.

I think JPC got some serious kw out of a TB42 recently, something approaching 300kw from memory. I would give them a call too, they are turbo gurus.

Keep us updated on how it all goes and how much it ends up costing you champ.

LudaCris

bigpatrol89 wrote:Hey all, i have a 01 ss ute with a gen 3 6sp for a daily driver and with 210kw at the wheels its not what i call impresive, personally, i thought about the gen 3 option but after having one in the ute for nearly 2 years i would rather spend the money on something else, like robbo said, in something as heavy as a patrol i dont think it would be a good idea

just my 2c worth

my patrol weighs under 2.2k and a commodore is roughly what 1700. if you do the math mine with 300 odd fwkw should go like a standard commo ss. and its a truck, and should be treated as such. is this not enough?. and the increase in handeling by saving a fat 130kg off the next motor choice? the nissan driveline etc is strong but something has to give if you build big 300rwkw motors with 800+nm. the way most of these events are going the driving is getting harder and slower and the winching more commonplace anyway.

decide what you need and proceed from there. i think the tb is good and easy and may be the easy way out just don't expect it to be cheap, especially with $2000 intercoolers etc that eventually migrate to the engine bay to replace their little brothers over the long term.

be good to see what you come up with mate, might come down next week and see whaat you are up to. pm me your adress

cheers bru

Yeah I am not really interested in getting ridiculous power or anything but it is just so tempting to keep it all nissan. Also retain 6cyl rego etc.

I have kind of been caught up in all this hi tech turbo stuff lately due to a couple of mates !

Will see what happens I guess.

It is like you say Bru21 once in low range with crawler gears or 2 transfers you really don't need much power. Main place I like to have that grunt is on the road which in reality is more often than offroad.

Definitely come down if you like Justin I have some stuff I want to run past you anyway.

does anybody know what model autronics computer they run on the tb42e turbo motors? Any info would be great

Cheers
Zac

Hi all. My diesel motor sh*t itself (cracked head) and they wanted $5300 to do a full re build not including getting all the seals on the injector pump re done and recoing the radiator for warranty proposes. I figured that this will be a pretty expensive project considering i will still only be getting 85kw @ the fly so I am now going petrol.
I bought a good low k TB42E motor with all bolt on's for $2600. I will now be interested in turboing this so it will be good to see what other people have done. How does the factory computer handle turbo (if it can)?

Kane wrote: How does the factory computer handle turbo (if it can)?

Talking to Juzza (from On Track), the factory ECU doesent handle boost pressure at all. And you need to go aftermarket.

turps wrote:

Kane wrote: How does the factory computer handle turbo (if it can)?

Talking to Juzza (from On Track), the factory ECU doesent handle boost pressure at all. And you need to go aftermarket.

Thanks mate. I'll call Andrew next week if I get a chance and if he's back from OBC.

Does any one have a price on the Autronics ECU?

Autronics ECU is about $2000 plus fitting and dyno ect.

Does any one else have any more idea's/ experances in tinkering with the TB42E motor?