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dude on another forum is chasing these.
anyone done better than


Best price cooper stt mud 31/10.5 R15 = $270.00 each I can get 33s cheaper in BF or MTR, adn others have done better in a 35!

thats very expensive... i got 33" x 12.5 claws for 30 dollars more

With the price of the dollar ATM we should be gettin a lot better prices than that!!!

RoldIT wrote:With the price of the dollar ATM we should be gettin a lot better prices than that!!!

I agree, but this dude assures me this is THE BEST he has found!!!

Cooper fixes the price.

all dealers must not sell below or loose dealership.

Michael.

Not much better but still ...

Also, not sure if this is the new model or not.

http://www.widetread.net.au/4x4_cooper_STT_3.htm

HSV Rangie wrote:Cooper fixes the price.

all dealers must not sell below or loose dealership.

Michael.

Well if that's true, they are over priced and it won't matter if people lose the dealership as they won't be selling them anyway.

RoldIT wrote:

HSV Rangie wrote:Cooper fixes the price.

all dealers must not sell below or loose dealership.

Michael.

Well if that's true, they are over priced and it won't matter if people lose the dealership as they won't be selling them anyway.

agree.

yeah for $30 dollars more i bought the 33x12.5 goodyear wrangler muddies

have heard mixed reports about the coopers ,some last a life time n some wear out way to quick n other dramas
but was also told that about the goodyears too

I was talking to a tyre dude the other day when getting my pinkslip. The new STT's in 33x12.5 were only about $292 which i thought was good. I think that was list price too.......

There is a lot more technology and raw product in the new Cooper Armortek3 STT than the comparative MTR or BFG. Thicker cords, wider steel belts, Spiral Nylon Overwrap... it all adds up in costs and with the recent price rise in base material for tyres, the stringent testing on Coopers 48 hectare test facility and the introduction of the new case contruction to their line, it's naturally going to be a increase the tyre price.
It's not just another radial tyre where they use the old case construction with a new tread pattern stuck on it. They have developed a whole new way of manufacturing this tyre carcass to provide a tyre that is going to be stronger and more tear resistant off road. Research the construction on them and you'll see the extra that goes into them.
Here is another thought..... you spend a lesser amount on a set of tyres that aren't as strong as the Cooper. You go out playing and kill a tyre in a situation where the added strength of the Cooper STT would have stood up to it. You're miles from anywhere with a a vehicle in a precarious position and a dead tyre that needs to be changed. This has now cost you another 25% on top of the original purchase price to replace the tyre, a lot of stuffing around, stress and a headache most people would rather live without. The slightly dearer price of the Cooper STT looks better and better now.

Anyways.... food for thought.
Have a lovely day.
Ryano

I still don't think they're overpriced. My 33" Claws cost $300 each, which is more than the STT's. But the new STT sounds alot more advanced.

I was told 260 each in 30 inch for my gf's zook!

When I was ringing for prices on 285/75-16s I was told list price for BFG muds was $21 per tyre more than I paid for the STTs. Of course, before I even said anything, the BFG price dropped $36 per tyre.

Very happy with traction, noise isn't any worse than S/Ts or MT/Rs. All I need to worry about now is mileage.

Scott

matsmad wrote:I was told 260 each in 30 inch for my gf's zook!

I paid $198 ea for my Cooper A/T's in 235/70R15. I found dealers weren't keen on discounting them - as has already been mentioned.

HSV Rangie wrote:Cooper fixes the price.

all dealers must not sell below or loose dealership.

Michael.

Hmmmm, Price Fixing. Isn't that just a little bit naughty?

cj wrote:

HSV Rangie wrote:Cooper fixes the price.

all dealers must not sell below or loose dealership.

Michael.

Hmmmm, Price Fixing. Isn't that just a little bit naughty?

Only price fixing between competitor products is illegal. If Cooper and BFG both agreed to sell their products at the same price, and not undercut each other, that would be illegal.

Cooper are entitled to set the RRP, and discourage dealers from undercutting each other.

As an example, a well known manufacturer of road motorcycles found its Brisbane sales outlets were all struggling. Customers would play them off against each other, so they were making sales at the expense of margin. Some stores decided to stop "playing games" with the customers and found that, although their sales volumes dropped, they started to make considerably better margins and overall their business picked up.

If they're happy with their sales volumes without discounting, it's their decision.

Scott

NJ SWB wrote:

cj wrote:

HSV Rangie wrote:Cooper fixes the price.

all dealers must not sell below or loose dealership.

Michael.

Hmmmm, Price Fixing. Isn't that just a little bit naughty?

Only price fixing between competitor products is illegal. If Cooper and BFG both agreed to sell their products at the same price, and not undercut each other, that would be illegal.

Cooper are entitled to set the RRP, and discourage dealers from undercutting each other.

As an example, a well known manufacturer of road motorcycles found its Brisbane sales outlets were all struggling. Customers would play them off against each other, so they were making sales at the expense of margin. Some stores decided to stop "playing games" with the customers and found that, although their sales volumes dropped, they started to make considerably better margins and overall their business picked up.

If they're happy with their sales volumes without discounting, it's their decision.

Scott

Can be a bit grey, but...
You cannot legally set a MINIMUM price.
You can legally set a maximum price.
You can legally set a RECOMMENDED price.
There are (legal) ways of discouraging selling below the recommended price (this is where the grey creeps in).

But in general pricing is decided by "what the market is prepared to pay".
Don't like the price? - don't buy em!

Ryano wrote:There is a lot more technology and raw product in the new Cooper Armortek3 STT than the comparative MTR or BFG. Thicker cords, wider steel belts, Spiral Nylon Overwrap... it all adds up in costs and with the recent price rise in base material for tyres, the stringent testing on Coopers 48 hectare test facility and the introduction of the new case contruction to their line, it's naturally going to be a increase the tyre price.
It's not just another radial tyre where they use the old case construction with a new tread pattern stuck on it. They have developed a whole new way of manufacturing this tyre carcass to provide a tyre that is going to be stronger and more tear resistant off road. Research the construction on them and you'll see the extra that goes into them.
Here is another thought..... you spend a lesser amount on a set of tyres that aren't as strong as the Cooper. You go out playing and kill a tyre in a situation where the added strength of the Cooper STT would have stood up to it. You're miles from anywhere with a a vehicle in a precarious position and a dead tyre that needs to be changed. This has now cost you another 25% on top of the original purchase price to replace the tyre, a lot of stuffing around, stress and a headache most people would rather live without. The slightly dearer price of the Cooper STT looks better and better now.

Anyways.... food for thought.
Have a lovely day.
Ryano

Sounds like a cut and paste from a cooper ad to me .. we were told all this kinda drible about the BFG KM's when theay appeared on the market as well.
A few to many "what if's" for my liking in that post ..

love_mud wrote:

Ryano wrote:There is a lot more technology and raw product in the new Cooper Armortek3 STT than the comparative MTR or BFG......
Ryano

Sounds like a cut and paste from a cooper ad to me .. we were told all this kinda drible about the BFG KM's when theay appeared on the market as well.
A few to many "what if's" for my liking in that post ..

Maybe I should consider changing professions!!!

Just telling it the way that I see it. The tyre industry has always been a part of my life. My old man has been in it since he was a teenager, I grew up around it and started actively taking part in it 13 years ago.
My job is to suit a tyre to each individuals application by assessing their wants and needs from it. This isn't done lightly. Otherwise there would be a lot of cranky people coming back and we'd be out of business.
I spend 6 days a week looking at tyres and the way they come back into the shop... I see all the different applications of use and how it affects the tyre. The whole reason I work where I do is because it's an independent tyre store specialising in 4wd tyres. I love tyres and I love 4wd's.
Life is all about what if's.... and it's when you are in a situation like mentioned earlier that you say,"what if I had've gone Cooper..." but it's too late then. It's alway better to have more than less.

Cooper Tires IMO are worth every dollar.
Cheers,
Ryano

past by BoB jane on the way home from super cheap just now, and got a price on the new cooper STTs, like this one:

http://www.coopertires.com.au/tyres/stt_new.htm

for a 31" x 10.50" R 15 = $273 ea (31" MT/R is about $200-$220)
for a 33" x 12.50" R 15 = $307 ea (33" MT/R is about $260-$280)

now, if you ask me, thats a bit much for tyres. esp when they are not a designated muddy, or a high traction (comp) tyre. the sales dude was trying to sell me some MT/Rs and/or BFGs, as he saw i had a Zook with 31"s on already. some of these places only sell the 'good' tyres to people with nice flash expensive criusers and patrols etc etc, and not to people who actually may use them for what they were made for.

anyway..... prices are in Darwin too, and if its true that coopers price fixes, then it should be the same aus wide?