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Has any one out there tried the new bfg krawler. If so how do they rate?
I'm looking at buying a set of muds or krawlers 35.Not sure which ones to go for.

Havnt used them personally (soley due to my own cost restrictions) but from wat i have witnessed they are doin very well, alot of happy customers

Ruff uses them. They look awesome on rocks, I'm not sure about other stuff, mud, dirt etc.

Quite a few rigs in OBC this year were using these

Did quite well.

There has been a big push towards the Krawler recently. We have filmed them in action at the Alpine challenge (mud and snow), at the rock crawling and now at the Outback.
Fairly tough all round tyre but expensive.

dont know personally. but if you looking for a great tyre and cheaper than bfgs. maxxis creapy crawler. i am spons by austyre on the cost give brett a call he is the man 0755970099.

how much are the krawlers

mudtoy said

There has been a big push towards the Krawler recently. We have filmed them in action at the Alpine challenge (mud and snow), at the rock crawling and now at the Outback.
Fairly tough all round tyre but expensive.

Have been running the krawlers for more than a year now (I am sponsored by 4x4 Sport Australia who sell them) and IMO they are the best performance 4wd tyre around.

These tyres were origionally designed for the US rockcrawling scene and have totally dominated the sport over there since their introduction in 2002. The competitions in the US are held over the same sorts of terrain that we see here - from solid smooth rock and sharp rock to sand, dirt and mud. Have a look at any 4wd competition in the US and you will see that Krawlers totaly dominate the field no matter what the terrain.

In Australia these tyres have only just been introduced. In the rockcrawling scene these tyres are guaranteed to do very well as they have done in the US. What was always going to be interesting to me was how they would do in the higher speed events such as winch challenge events and the Outback Challenge. In the higher speed stuff they look like they absolutely kick arse with the top 2 teams in the Outback Challenge running the Krawler tyre.

The reason why the tyre is so good is that it is totally unlike any other tyre on the market. The tyre has a good aggressive tread pattern and soft rubber compound but its main advantage is in its construction. The tyre is basically a radial tyre but its sidewall is made with slightly angled alternate plies to give it very good sidewall puncture resistance (much like a cross ply tyre). So the tyre basically performans and behaves like a radial tyre (good for high speed work and turning etc) but has the strength of a cross ply tyre (good for everything else where you might stick something through the side wall). The other benefit of the radial construction is that even though they have a soft tread compound they last a lot longer than cross ply tyres on the road because of their flatter footprint (same reason why most road tyres are radial tyres).

So the reason why Krawlers are more expensive than the other tyres is just because they are so much better and they arnt made in massive numbers (and also because their construction in unique to the Krawler tyre only). They make swampers and simexes perform and handle like tractor tyres (cause these tyres are constructed the same way as tractor tyres) and they make Goodyear MTR and Procomps look like their sidewalls are made of butter (cause their sidewalls are constructed the same way a 100% pure road tyre)

Give these tyres another year and they will win everything.

Sam

frp88 wrote:how much are the krawlers

mudtoy said

There has been a big push towards the Krawler recently. We have filmed them in action at the Alpine challenge (mud and snow), at the rock crawling and now at the Outback.
Fairly tough all round tyre but expensive.

4x4 Sport Australia - 07 3277 5656
35x13.5R15 - $545 each incl GST
37x12.5R17 - $595 each incl GST

They got an offer until 15/7/05 where if you buy 4 tyres you get one free.

Sam

it's after hours so i'll ask here... have they got any bigger sizes for 15" rims?

giantracing wrote:dont know personally. but if you looking for a great tyre and cheaper than bfgs. maxxis creapy crawler. i am spons by austyre on the cost give brett a call he is the man 0755970099.

From what I have seen the creapy crawler is a very good tyre - mainly due to its soft tread compound (similar to the krawler).

Main dissadvantage compared to the krawler is its cross ply construction. This means its not as good at the faster road speeds and not as good at the slower speeds in the turning and the off camber stuff. In both these cases a radial tyre works better cause the tread sits flat and square to the rim and doesent tend to roll over like a cross ply tends to do.

Sam

N*A*M wrote:it's after hours so i'll ask here... have they got any bigger sizes for 15" rims?

Nope - they go straight to 17s which is probably their biggest issue in getting this tyre more main stream in Aust.

Sam

!!! $545 !!!

eek. they are some bling tyres.

In comparason to many other specialist tyres they are not that expensive. Take into account buy 4 and get one free, they're cheap.

I am looking to move from my 35 MTRs to a 37 tyre for comp. will go on a GQ, oppinions? I was looking at the Maxxis, but is it worth spending the $$ on the krawler???

sierrajim wrote:In comparason to many other specialist tyres they are not that expensive. Take into account buy 4 and get one free, they're cheap.

yeah but then i'd need $$$ 17" beadlocks as well.

Tiny wrote:I am looking to move from my 35 MTRs to a 37 tyre for comp. will go on a GQ, oppinions? I was looking at the Maxxis, but is it worth spending the $$ on the krawler???

just look at tony's run at ttc on the crawlers just watching those on the rocks they loved it and definatley ate the maxis trucks up and spat them out

Nam,

What about second airs?

i wouldn't waste my money on them. i'd sooner do the booty fab DIY beadlock mod than run internal beadlocks.

N*A*M wrote:i wouldn't waste my money on them. i'd sooner do the booty fab DIY beadlock mod than run internal beadlocks.

Please explain why????? I am looking at them

Tiny wrote:

N*A*M wrote:i wouldn't waste my money on them. i'd sooner do the booty fab DIY beadlock mod than run internal beadlocks.

Please explain why????? I am looking at them

Maybe cuz they don't protect the rim ? Other than that I can't see a disadvantage with them.

Hekta wrote:

Tiny wrote:

N*A*M wrote:i wouldn't waste my money on them. i'd sooner do the booty fab DIY beadlock mod than run internal beadlocks.

Please explain why????? I am looking at them

Maybe cuz they don't protect the rim ? Other than that I can't see a disadvantage with them.

my theory is that they would be better as lock the inner bead

if your looking for a cheap rim to run the crawlers why not use the 17" steel prado rims and get them modified with external beadlocks..

thats what normy was using in qld for metcalf events.

How do you think (open invitation!) the Krawler will compare to the new Cooper STT which is supposed to have a gumball compound and a similar construction from what I can gather to the Krawler? The tread doesn't look nearly as agressive, but it perhaps may have some other similar advantages.

morkz wrote:if your looking for a cheap rim to run the crawlers why not use the 17" steel prado rims and get them modified with external beadlocks..

thats what normy was using in qld for metcalf events.

An even better rim is the New Ford Territory(sp) its a 17x7.5 where as the Prado rim is a 17x6.

Im also Sponsored by 4x4Sport Australia and i had my reservations on these tyres before running them. But after running them i wouldnt run anything else. These things are unbeleivable on every thing i have pointed them at. I even drove 3/4 of the Allterain Challange at LCMP with a totaly flat tyre because i bent the inside of the rim. Now i was driving as fast as i possibly could with the tyre flapping around and realy couldnt tell it was flat it just seamed to keep its shape still. Where as my old swampers would have just been falling off the rim.

If i was looking to buy a new 35" or 37" tyre that realy did what its supposed to then these would be my first choice especially with the deal running at the moment. By 4 get one Free.

Contact 4x4 sport Australia below in my Sig Line.

sam do you think they did 35/15 and37/17 to maintain the same ratio due to this new type off tyre. do they make a bigger one

frp88 wrote:sam do you think they did 35/15 and37/17 to maintain the same ratio due to this new type off tyre. do they make a bigger one

A 39" tyre is available but it is not in Aus as yet.

as i have not run these bfgs. i cant say a bad thing about them. but like i said earier the maxxis are great. they are a bias tyre compared to a radial. for some reason people have a dumb thought in there heads that the side walls must bulge. for more contact area. bfgs are good for this because it is a radial. in doing this you loose diff height.( yes or no)?. maxxis are a bias tyre but have been designed in a way that the flex of the tyre is done in the middle of the tread area. in doing this you do not loose diff height. example i run 37x14.5x15 over all i lose less then 1-2 inches of height. with what i have seen , the bfgs loose more than 4-6 inches. maybe on a buggy this is different. but to a normal 4x4 this is a big problem.. maxxis are reasonally priced and there are many diff sizes for all. thank you chris.ps being given tyres is a great thing but you can only win on maxxis..

giantracing wrote:as i have not run these bfgs. i cant say a bad thing about them. but like i said earier the maxxis are great. they are a bias tyre compared to a radial. for some reason people have a dumb thought in there heads that the side walls must bulge. for more contact area. bfgs are good for this because it is a radial. in doing this you loose diff height.( yes or no)?. maxxis are a bias tyre but have been designed in a way that the flex of the tyre is done in the middle of the tread area. in doing this you do not loose diff height. example i run 37x14.5x15 over all i lose less then 1-2 inches of height. with what i have seen , the bfgs loose more than 4-6 inches. maybe on a buggy this is different. but to a normal 4x4 this is a big problem.. maxxis are reasonally priced and there are many diff sizes for all. thank you chris.ps being given tyres is a great thing but you can only win on maxxis..

we heard u the first time

incase u havent noticed this thread is labled krawler

not maxis

The nice thing about the Krawlers is they have red lable and blue lable compounds here in the US. Red lables are for rock crawling and the blue lables are for the street/trails. Honestly Krawlers are one of the best tires out there but other tire manufactures are in R&D right now. Pro Comp just started making a sticky compound tire to try and catch up with BFG