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Full Float Rear Axle
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:44 pm
by bubs
Would it be worth the hassle to make adaptors to bolt onto the end of the hilux rear housing to run hilux front disk with early 2 spot calipers on the rear?
i am wondering would there be any significant strength increase going to a full float using 4130 custom made rear axles?
i think it would be quite easy to make?
any major advantages besides when the axle brakes the wheel wont fall off?
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:53 pm
by NICK
why not 4140?
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:53 pm
by RUFF
Firstly how many Hilux rear axles have you seen break?
I wouldnt do it for any reason to do with axle streangth as i dont beleive the hilux axle has any issues. But i would do it to run IFS hubs and get a wider axle.
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:58 pm
by POS
No i havn't broken a rear axle so i wouldn't be bothered!
In a competition situation you are not going to get much further in 3 wheel drive!
In a normal wheeling situation just carry a spare axle and lock ring!
I can't see the point i would rather spend the time and money on something more important, like buying me and Sam beers for the next XRCC!
But don't let me stop you, thats just my thought!
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:59 pm
by NICK
RUFF wrote:Firstly how many Hilux rear axles have you seen break?
thats what ben and i were talking about today, hense the reason for the "4140" quote.
If your going to that much trouble why not build a 60series diff centered?
NICK
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 5:33 am
by cplux
RUFF wrote:Firstly how many Hilux rear axles have you seen break?
I wouldnt do it for any reason to do with axle streangth as i dont beleive the hilux axle has any issues. But i would do it to run IFS hubs and get a wider axle.
totally agree with ruff,
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:08 am
by dave
RUFF wrote:Firstly how many Hilux rear axles have you seen break?
I wouldnt do it for any reason to do with axle streangth as i dont beleive the hilux axle has any issues. But i would do it to run IFS hubs and get a wider axle.
Lux rear axles are a strong unit as is so i agree with Ruff and POS,
As for running 60 diff centres as Nick mentioned your robbing your self a lot of ground clerance.
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:25 pm
by RUFF
But if you can get some of these addapters and axles done up i would be interested and i beleive you will sell them as a lot of guys would see the BLING BLING value
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 9:05 pm
by killalux
i might also be interested depending on price.
the only other advantage i see is if you seize a wheel bearing you can replace them without a press, and if you use freewheel hubs on them if you break a ring and pinion you can flat tow the vehicle easily.
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 9:42 pm
by bubs
nick i only said 4130 as that is what most poeple think of when you say chromoly - they would be 4140 as that is whay my works suppliers uses and 4130 is not as readly available as its 4140 counterpart
i know a lot of guys havn't broken any but some of the AZ guys in the states have i was actually more thinking of bling bling and making the adaptors to bolt onto a narrow track to widen to IFS width
and tony i had already thought of buidling it using IFS wheel flanges for an extra 70mm on the width of a wide track
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:04 pm
by hypo
bubs wrote:nick i only said 4130 as that is what most poeple think of when you say chromoly - they would be 4140 as that is whay my works suppliers uses and 4130 is not as readly available as its 4140 counterpart
i know a lot of guys havn't broken any but some of the AZ guys in the states have i was actually more thinking of bling bling and making the adaptors to bolt onto a narrow track to widen to IFS width
and tony i had already thought of buidling it using IFS wheel flanges for an extra 70mm on the width of a wide track
done it
mines in the process of getting made now it will be ifs rear width with standard front hubs and i gunna run ifs hubs 2 get a bit more,
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:56 am
by beanz2
Here's a kit sold in the US
http://www.frontrangeoffroadfab.com/floater.htm
Basically an adapter to bolt the front wheel spindle and a 79-81 Supra caliper with e-brake to the Hilux axle.
Dave
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 7:43 pm
by hypo
I was guna do it using a front hilux stub axle but i got a 60 series housing 4 nuthing so i building it that way which i think will b better than the stub axles..
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 7:58 pm
by RUFF
At least using the stub axles and an adapter you can always go back to a stock axle if you get rid of the rig or you do happen to brake an axle and need to get it going again.
Also same bearings front and rear and only need to carry one spare stub axle(i have seen the rear bearings frozen that bad to the diffhousing that the housing was destroyed removing it on a cruiser)
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 8:34 pm
by hypo
RUFF wrote:At least using the stub axles and an adapter you can always go back to a stock axle if you get rid of the rig or you do happen to brake an axle and need to get it going again.
Also same bearings front and rear and only need to carry one spare stub axle(i have seen the rear bearings frozen that bad to the diffhousing that the housing was destroyed removing it on a cruiser)
yeah good point bout the bearings, but regulary maintainence will prevent this.
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:16 pm
by bubs
Just build an adaptor to run front stub axles on the rear - and run LC drive flanges? on the rear
does anyone know is the bolt PCD on a wide track the same as a narrow track? or the same between big and small tube narrow tracks?
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:25 pm
by hypo
the only other thing is using front stub axles is how r u guna seal the oil from getting into the wheels bearings ???
think all the stub axle bolt patterns r the same mate
wot sorta $$ u looking at bubs 2 get these axles made??????
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:29 pm
by bubs
hypolux wrote:the only other thing is using front stub axles is how r u guna seal the oil from getting into the wheels bearings ???
think all the stub axle bolt patterns r the same mate
wot sorta $$ u looking at bubs 2 get these axles made??????
oil - in the adaptor as it is going too have to be about 10mm thick or so run a recess to run a front inner axle seal on the rear :wink:
$$$'s nfi - just getting some ideas
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:39 pm
by hypo
cool keep me posted on axle prices as i may b interested
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:24 am
by bj on roids
here is whay i thought it wouldnt work
rear hub compared to front hub
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:25 am
by bj on roids
and check this:
3 pages but a good read with good
info
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... genumber=1
bubs if i can help you by getting cheap or free landcruiser parts let me know.
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:26 am
by bj on roids
im keen to see you build this, as I think it could benefit a lot of people. It also is a very good idea and would add good load carrying ability, and less side to side float axle movement to an otherwise very good axle.
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 6:37 pm
by bubs
link not working for me atm
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:02 pm
by killalux
it worked for me earlier but not now
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:03 pm
by RUFF
Its working now pirate was down for a while.
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:12 pm
by beanz2
bj on roids wrote:here is whay i thought it wouldnt work
rear hub compared to front hub
Hey, Rob, that's my pic!
Dave
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:10 am
by bj on roids
beanz2 wrote:bj on roids wrote:here is whay i thought it wouldnt work
rear hub compared to front hub
Hey, Rob, that's my pic!
Dave
cool, thanks for the pic, I am too lazy, i have them at home, just would never get around to taking a pic.
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:12 pm
by bubs
- i actually got my ass into gear and finished the design - these are different in the way they mount unlike the front range offroad ones in the states
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:16 pm
by hypo
looking good bubs now get some made so i can test them 4 u