Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Hey guys.

i have decided to go and splash out on a fair bit of kit, and try and get it fitted over the next two weeks. The vehicle is a HZJ troopy, and i was hoping you could give me your opinions on some of the kit i have decided on for this splurge. It would be appreciated if you could keep it nice and just tell me if you have had any problems or have heard of any problems with any of the kit.

I have decided on an opposite lock long range auxilliary, with sender kit and transfer pump. Mainly because it is all similarly priced but OL could get it to me in 7 days instead of 6 weeks from arb, long ranger etc.

there is bugger all room in the engine bay for an endless air, so i will be going for an electric (boo hoo). a write up and comparo was recently done in 4wd monthly of 15 compressors and they failed to do a test on the blue tounge or twin tounge. can anyone tell me how these two stack up against a big red or a arb offering?

My PTO winch is being fitted by a brisbane trailer spares (brisbane supplier of thomas winches), and i am wondering if the weight saving is worth the cost of getting plasma or dynamica rope. i shouldn't spend a lot of time winching, but wire rope is a hell of a lot extra weight to have over the front springs. any idea of the comparative weight of a pto winch to an electric?

for those of you who don't like shelling out megabucks for a stainless water tank, try whitworths marine, i have sourced a collapsible water or diesel bladder (rated for either), in varying sizes up to 200 litres that you can place between your trim panels and outer skins.

i also need a fabricator who can teach me to weld so i can build a rear bar/carrier. 2200 bucks for a kaymar is robbery.

cheers guys

The Blue Tongue and Twin Tounge are supposed to be very good. The Twin is very fast but pricey.

I'm looking at getting Plasma or similar at some stage to save on the weight on the front. The less weight out there the better it will handle. (Recently took off my bar and winch for a few weeks and put the tupperware one on and was amazed at the difference in ride quality!)

Stainless tanks need not to cost too much. I can get them custom made from $350 depending on size and shape. I have a stainless tank in mine behind the rear seats and it works great. Great taste and always cool.

Kaymars are very pricey but they are well made. Arb are bringing out their own rear bars but doubt they'll be too much cheaper...

Well the only thing i can see a problem is the plasma rope, i am a rigger offshore and onshore and we use plasma rope on are winches some times, the difference between them both is that plasma is stronger at the same diametre but doesn't last as long and flexible steel wire rope, if your not going to be winching all the time i would go flexible steel wire rope, if you are winching all the time like in comps i would go plasma.

xplot wrote:Well the only thing i can see a problem is the plasma rope, i am a rigger offshore and onshore and we use plasma rope on are winches some times, the difference between them both is that plasma is stronger at the same diametre but doesn't last as long and flexible steel wire rope, if your not going to be winching all the time i would go flexible steel wire rope, if you are winching all the time like in comps i would go plasma.

but won't kink up like wire, and the weight is great when you do need to wing, plus easy on your hands, and very low risk of injury in the event of snapage

xplot wrote:

tiny wrote:but won't kink up like wire, and the weight is great when you do need to wing, plus easy on your hands, and very low risk of injury in the event of snapage

it won't kink if it non rotating rope which is what it should be on a winch, the strands on flexible steel wire rope should be straight not rotating the same way as the rope so it should not kink. plus you should not have you hands no where near the winch when operating if you do your a idiot, always try and get a straight pull otherwise it doesn't lay on your winch drum to good, if it don't lay good all you do is correct your spool on your winch drum. Right Flexible steel wire rope has a SWL as your shackles etc but the safety factor for felixble steel wire rope is 1:2 or 1:3 depending on make, so say your flexible wire at 4ton SWL will more than likely break at 8ton maybe less or more, that would only be at a straight line of pull though, shackles have a safety factor of 8 so a 4.7ton SWL will more than likely break at 37.6ton maybe less or more. It is not good practise to rig thing with you BWL always use you SWL, SWL is there for a reason to protect the company and consumers making slings, shackles etc.

There was a article i believe in 4x4 monthly about the shackles.

xplot wrote:

xplot wrote:

tiny wrote:but won't kink up like wire, and the weight is great when you do need to wing, plus easy on your hands, and very low risk of injury in the event of snapage

it won't kink if it non rotating rope which is what it should be on a winch, the strands on flexible steel wire rope should be straight not rotating the same way as the rope so it should not kink. plus you should not have you hands no where near the winch when operating if you do your a idiot, always try and get a straight pull otherwise it doesn't lay on your winch drum to good, if it don't lay good all you do is correct your spool on your winch drum. Right Flexible steel wire rope has a SWL as your shackles etc but the safety factor for felixble steel wire rope is 1:2 or 1:3 depending on make, so say your flexible wire at 4ton SWL will more than likely break at 8ton maybe less or more, that would only be at a straight line of pull though, shackles have a safety factor of 8 so a 4.7ton SWL will more than likely break at 37.6ton maybe less or more. It is not good practise to rig thing with you BWL always use you SWL, SWL is there for a reason to protect the company and consumers making slings, shackles etc.

There was a article i believe in 4x4 monthly about the shackles.

but how many get the right stuff, and how many times do ya see people with no gloves.....not disagreeing with you, just a few simple petty reasons why rope can be good for non comp rigs

The reason is why is Plasma doesn't last long as wire rope, when it get oil and rain and other crap it effects it's SWL, flexible steel wire rope it doesn't.

I am in Wollongong putting a wave energy barge in the water using 42mm plasma rope pulling up chains i am anchoring and mooring this barge, doing a three part pull. After finishing the job the rope will be scrapped why coz it will be fucked. why we using plasma because 42mm plasma is 110ton SWL and to get 110ton SWL on felxible steel wire rope you need it to be about 105mm, plus we won't be able to get length of flexible steel wire rope on the winch drum.

xplot wrote:The reason is why is Plasma doesn't last long as wire rope, when it get oil and rain and other crap it effects it's SWL, flexible steel wire rope it doesn't.

I am in Wollongong putting a wave energy barge in the water using 42mm plasma rope pulling up chains i am anchoring and mooring this barge, doing a three part pull. After finishing the job the rope will be scrapped why coz it will be *****. why we using plasma because 42mm plasma is 110ton SWL and to get 110ton SWL on felxible steel wire rope you need it to be about 105mm, plus we won't be able to get length of flexible steel wire rope on the winch drum.

the dyneema I sell is pretty good, fine with oils etc and is UV stabilised. As it is man made it will breakdown over time, but its prety damb good

I agree ppl don't always use gloves etc... and don't think what they are doing, i have seen my work mate die in my eyes on a barge in china 75mm flexible steel wire rope break and it came back like a whip and cut him in half, thats why you should always put and blanket or something over thew rope so this don't happen, it is hard for what i do but the procedure is normally clear the deck

xplot wrote:I agree ppl don't always use gloves etc... and don't think what they are doing, i have seen my work mate die in my eyes on a barge in china 75mm flexible steel wire rope break and it came back like a whip and cut him in half, thats why you should always put and blanket or something over thew rope so this don't happen, it is hard for what i do but the procedure is normally clear the deck

yep, I always refuse to let anyone winch when I am around without some thing as a brake....its not worth dieing over

rockcrawler31 wrote: there is bugger all room in the engine bay for an endless air, so i will be going for an electric (boo hoo). a write up and comparo was recently done in 4wd monthly of 15 compressors and they failed to do a test on the blue tounge or twin tounge. can anyone tell me how these two stack up against a big red or a arb offering?

There should be enough room to fit an extra air cond compressor in your engine bay You can get self-oiling sanden 508 style pumps that would fit, i know on a 2H on the passengar side at the bottom there is a spare spot, possibly the same on your 1HZ, check =]

Apart from that, i have a bushranger max air, if you read the 4wd monthly test it beat the other cmopressors... (perhaps not a twin tongue, but it wasnt tested) comes with a 5 year warranty, awesome specs, and would leave an ARB for dead...! Any number of people will testify to that.

Other than that... maybe look at making your own rear storage system aswell =] should take a weekend and cost heaps less than $500 if you have some carpentry skillz.