Outer Limits 4x4 Board

G'day all
I'm new to forum, new to 4wd'ing.
I have a Suzuki x90, 1997, 4x4, 1.6ltr, stock.
i live in Proserpine, N-Qld, looking for somewere to drive?
i would like to lift the suspension 2"? ( is it legal?)
can anyone tell me were to get the parts at low cost?
Thanks for your time.

x90's are basically a vitara with a different body, so if you want a 2 inch lift, check out the old man emu kit

this is a link to a yankee site that has used the ome kit and has a full run down on the install-> http://www.off-road.com/suzuki/reviews/rromex90.htm

some guys have made their own kits up by getting custom springs and flipping the upper strut mount on the front, so there's a few ways it can be done

I have looked at the US sites to hing a cost.
oz old man emu only does a 30mm kit for A$1185.00 (to much)
Looking for lower cost
thanks

well...you can get spring spacers from a few places, i think they only sorta go about 15mm though...maybe that and a bodylift

I have been looking at a set of coils A$300.00
Rear Shocks A$65.00
from suzukiwest

no struts at suzukiwest

looking at a set from Old man emu for A$433.00

if think it is the best price find so far
need better price on struts

are x90's unibody? if not, i'd just body lift it and keep the suspension mods fair basic (read cheap).

I have been looking at a set of coils A$300.00
Rear Shocks A$65.00
from suzukiwest

no struts at suzukiwest

looking at a set from Old man emu for A$433.00

if think it is the best price find so far
need better price on struts

I just fitted 30mm spacers to my Vitara, and it's a pretty long process if you've not done it before, I think you might as well spend the xtra for coils if you gonna spend time on this.
Don’t worry about struts ,you won’t see any difference with a stabilizer bar installed.
Regards Charlie

Thanks Charlie

I plan to get 4 new coils and rear shocks as soon as i get the money.
would you know if i will need any other parts to do this lift?

who dose a body lift kit?

My Suzuki X90 is called Bear.

I would like to put some bigger wheels on Cooper Discoverer Sure Trac (S/T) 235/75R15 can anyone help with info on fitting tires on stock rims?
do I have to lift the body to fit then under?
But Bear is my road car as well as a off road 4wd.

I got 2" king's springs on my Vitara but they're a little rough - too stiff. Great off road but not much good on a mainly road car.

Might be better off to get your springs reset higher by pedders or similar. I'll sell you mine if you like and I'll go to pedders

Suzisport do a body lift kit, but doing a body lift at home on Vitara's and X90's is hard work if you dont know what you're doing - too many things have car-like tolerances and need modifying if you wanna do the job right and/or go more than 1" up.

If you're not fully kitted up in your garage or keen on a little harmless butchery then pay someone.

If you don't mind the butchery (Hey my Vitara was cheap) then you can make your own 1" lift kit for probably $80 or so.

You should be able to run 235/75 A/T's either with a little body or suspension lift - otherwise they will rub a little bit. Shouldn't do any harm to your on road ability. You can get muddies in that size and they're a little worse on road but heaps better off.

your front struts can cope with a bit of lift ok - my aftermarket 1" lift ones are actually the same length as the originals and cope fine with the 2" lift, but the back shocks need urgent replacement for any offroad use, and will pretty much be topped out after the spring lift. Luckily they're pretty universal (I've used HQ shocks, Landcruiser and Cressida). For something more valuable like yours maybe some Rancho or Dobinsons.......

http://www.izook.com/tech/tracker/kicklift/bodylift.htm

bit of info on the vitara body lift.....dunno how similar it would be to the x90, but i'm guessing pretty close

Antt, you and I need to catch up to swap Vitari stories..... and some trails.

I did 1" lift just using polyurethane blocks. Any more needs special bolts - usually part of the kit.....

BearX90 wrote:Thanks Charlie

I plan to get 4 new coils and rear shocks as soon as i get the money.
would you know if i will need any other parts to do this lift?

who dose a body lift kit?

My Suzuki X90 is called Bear.

I would like to put some bigger wheels on Cooper Discoverer Sure Trac (S/T) 235/75R15 can anyone help with info on fitting tires on stock rims?
do I have to lift the body to fit then under?
But Bear is my road car as well as a off road 4wd.

You can fit the 235's on stock rims (5.5") with lifted shocks or body lift. Or you can buy my 30" muddies with 7" wide sunraysias so I can get the angle grinder out and fit 32" on F100 rims.........

If you wanna send me a slab of piss or at the very worst postage back to you, you can have my first dodgy home lift springs (in some ways I think it better than Kings springs) - Datsun 1200 Sedan Rear springs (slightly soft), Datsun 180B rear non SSS Springs cut to length on front (slightly hard) and HQ rear shocks - 2" longer than stock but not long enuff for my rockcrawling.

The Datsun rears were slightly to soft offroad and on, but the Kings springs are way too hard anywhere....

If you cut a little more off with an angle grinder off the front springs they'd be damn near perfect.....

PS you have no idea how many cars I had to pull springs out of at the wreckers to find a set this good.....

Suzuki Viagra wrote:Antt, you and I need to catch up to swap Vitari stories..... and some trails.

I did 1" lift just using polyurethane blocks. Any more needs special bolts - usually part of the kit.....

will definetly have to catch up

i'm curious about your body lift...did you lift it 1" and still use the standard studs or what????

The 1" body lift was based on some blocks cut by Aus4wd specialist in Kilsyth Vic. I got 2" blocks cut but seing the welded in studs cut any chance of that fitting without major dramas, so I took it back and they generously swapped it for a set of 1" blocks.

Even the 1" was a bastard on the standard studs - I had to lose the bottom rubber isolators. Additionally it interfered with the plastic crap over the bumper at the back, gearshift levers, fuel filler etc. All of these required modifying or else swearing and putting up with things not being right.

You'd probably make free half inch or so lift kit by just putting your bottom rubber isolator in with the top one, with less grief. If you're just running a little short on tyre clearance, do that.

Vitaras would have to be quite possibly the biggest bastard to do body lift on. The only good thing is that the radiator is chassis mounted so that doesn't need any "treatment".

You can buy 2" or 3" kits, and there's usually not much difference in price in the kit - the price is in aggravation at things like the brake line swaps, gearshift lever modding, steering and driveshaft extenders, brake reservior colliding with air filter etc.

Suzuki Viagra wrote:Vitaras would have to be quite possibly the biggest bastard to do body lift on. The only good thing is that the radiator is chassis mounted so that doesn't need any "treatment".

we've got a vitara that's been lifted in the suzuki club and the guy that did it reckoned it was way easier than a sierra. i guess it's all about preparation

Gotta agree with Greg. I have done a body lift to both sierra & vitara and i wouldn't say one was any harder than the other.

Suzuki Viagra wrote:
You can fit the 235's on stock rims (5.5") with lifted shocks or body lift. Or you can buy my 30" muddies with 7" wide sunraysias so I can get the angle grinder out and fit 32" on F100 rims.........

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BearX90 wrote:Suzuki Viagra wrote:
You can fit the 235's on stock rims (5.5") with lifted shocks or body lift. Or you can buy my 30" muddies with 7" wide sunraysias so I can get the angle grinder out and fit 32" on F100 rims.........

name a price?[/list]

I paid about $700 for the 4 mud tyres without the rims, so I'd want a little less than that including the rims (new rims would be about another $200-250 on top of it). I dunno exactly how much it will cost you to send them up to you, which might be more of a prohibiting factor. I think I've only had them on for about 2000k's at the most, so they're damn near new. About $900 worth and say $600 for them all up.

I'll find out how much a new set is gonna be in 32"s including the rims.

However you won't fit the 30" muddies without a significant lift - I'm running 2" suspension and 1" body lift to clear them. And they still rub a little bit on the seam welds at the front under suspension movement.

235's are more sensible but 30"s are much tougher looking.....

Best shot I have of them - muddy as:

Thanks Suzuki Viagra
I will keep to my plan.
Good Pic of tyres. But i think this one was better

You might not quite clear the 235/75's stock. But if you're lifting the suspension that won't be an issue for long I'm sure.

Good luck and end us a picture when it's done.

greg wrote:

Suzuki Viagra wrote:Vitaras would have to be quite possibly the biggest bastard to do body lift on. The only good thing is that the radiator is chassis mounted so that doesn't need any "treatment".

we've got a vitara that's been lifted in the suzuki club and the guy that did it reckoned it was way easier than a sierra. i guess it's all about preparation

Might also be which spec and model vitara you're working on. I can only go off my 88 JX softtop, versus other non Suzuki 4wd's which have all been much easier. Other Vitara models and specs had changes to bumpers, engines etc, so what I faced may not be the same as what he faced.

Overall it wasn't too hard for anyone who knows one end of the spanner from the other but there was such mindless design when my JX was built - I guess noone at Suzuki thought they'd end up being changed into a big wheeled mud monster....

My biggest problems were all caused by my bumpers being mounted both to body and chassis at both ends. If your Vitara or X90 doesn't have this design quirk, you're on a good thing.


PS what preparation? You don't need no stinking preparation. Except for some body blocks and a trolley jack.....

Also keep in mind i think the x90 has smaller wheel archs than a vitara so tyre fitment isnt the same even though runing gear is