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hi just wondering if anyone has put one in and how does it go thinking about getting one.

cut 4B wrote:hi just wondering if anyone has put one in and how does it go thinking about getting one.

Yeap greg has, do a quick seach and their is heaps of info in his build up thread. You will know which one itis coz it's well over ten pages long.

also some other people on here helped him and have some knowledge.

Spec on them is 48kw (legislated maximum power) which is better than a 1.3 or 1.0.

Potential (being a turbo is much higher).

The biggest issues you're gonna face are in that thread - emissions and the tiny bloody gearbox they have.

Beastmavster wrote:Spec on them is 48kw (legislated maximum power) which is better than a 1.3 or 1.0.

Potential (being a turbo is much higher).

The biggest issues you're gonna face are in that thread - emissions and the tiny bloody gearbox they have.

Gearbox is actually a 5 speed version of the 1 litre gearbox. So its no smaller than a ausy sierra box.

Front cuts are dear as pioson tho....

dude, i cant find that info on the f6 motor. Im a crap searcher. These motors would have a bit of potential. I might try and get a price of one from asian autos. Do they bolt up? Im just a bit worried about the size of the motor. Anything under 1 litre seems a bit gutless, even with a turbo. Anyone want to speak from experience?

well u'd have to expect it to have no torque down low at all compared to the 1.3 you've halfed the capacity and cut off a cylinder. Gearing would be a must.

JrZook wrote:well u'd have to expect it to have no torque down low at all compared to the 1.3 you've halfed the capacity and cut off a cylinder. Gearing would be a must.

You would think so wouldn;t you .. but it aint nessicarily so ..

i got a price on a half cut they are a jap import jimny $1750

Have you tried Mud4b at Suziworx?

http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_2131/article.html

The latest and greatest Suzuki three-cylinder is the K6A turbo found in the current J-spec Wagon R and Keis. This 660cc DOHC, 12-valve three features an air-to-air intercooler and turbocharger helping deliver up to 47kW at 6500 rpm and 106Nm at 3500 rpm.

A gun atmo version of this engine is also available – the 10.5:1 K6A with VVT makes a decent 40kW and 63Nm.


That same 47kW output is also reached by the Japanese F6A and F6B 660cc DOHC turbo engines. Earlier versions of the F6A – with just a SOHC head – were rated at 47 and 43kW depending on age and spec. These SOHC F6A engines were built during the late ‘80s before the introduction of the DOHC replacement.


A tiny 550cc DOHC turbo engine - the F5A – was also available in the 1987 series Japanese-market Alto. This was the first Kei-class engine to attain the regulation 47kW max output – along with 72Nm.

note that a 1.3 is about 47kW and 100Nm...... but a turbo is easy to get more power from. Obviously a 1.0 is a lot less.....



hmmm... found this too...

http://www.suzishop.com/forum/topic.asp ... 0&ARCHIVE=

talk to Mark at suziworx about getting a K6A front cut. It comes with 5sp, and its a DOHC 660cc Turbo EFI intercooled motor that came standard in jap sierras manufactured from november 1996 onwards.

Mark said about $2500 for a front cut last time I spoke to him about it.

I did the conversion with Greg.

Greg's car runs a 6:1, 5.12's and 34's and has a very good mix of on road and off road ability.

The key with the 660 is the higher rev ability allows the car to get away with much deeper gearing, so you get 110:1 and still pull speed on the highway comfortably. (it's very happy at 4500rpm, redline at 9200)

If it was not geared as deep, it would be junk. A 660 needs gearing, and the jap spec sierra has 5.38 gears with 26" tyres! Properly geared, there is NO evident "lack of torque" and no problem generating wheelspeed.

It is impossible to describe how smooth and progressive this motor is off road. It's heaps more fun than a 1.3 or a 1.6 blurping happily from off idle to rev limiter. It is a bit like mocks 1.0 with headers, exhaust, pod, 4:1 and 4.88 diffs, but with more of everything.

The cappucino gearbox has a long shift extension like a jimny and to fit under a stock tunnel, it had to be converted. This led to days of shenanigans making up another set of shift rails that sat above the cap rails, and converted a 1.0litre shift mechanism into the cap rails. This was a major PITA.

The cap box is 1.0 size but remember you are pushing a fair bit more power than a 1.0 and MUCH more weight. a cap is 720kg and gregs zook with an elaborate cage, winch, big tank, 34's and driver was 1200kg.

Greg's principle box was sweet but it ran low on fluid due to a breather issue (1.0 shifters have breathers in them) and melted the input shaft gear to layshaft.

since then the gearbx has been a bit of an issue. 2 rebuilds have not seen it ever shift as smooth or run anywhere near as quiet as the original box.

The answer is a JB23(?) 660cc sierra (jap spec) box. These have a 4:1 1st gear (cap is 3.3:1) and would put the shifter in the right place.

The motor, though, is as happy as larry and seems to thrive on hate.

Ill tell you all by monday exactly how they go me and mud4b are doing the conversion over the weekend

ill post some pics as i go

1lt - 660 turbo

its started...

the f6a is going in..

U take those matt? Couse U can't see crap. Is it fitting easy?

I thought you already have a f6a in urs Matt?

matts has a g13a in it and will be getting the 660 in the near future. The car in the photo is suz rollys, It is getting done this weekend

Oh ok. I though Whitey dropped it in for the logal night run. The f6a is on his shed floor though?

the picks are a mates car my motor is going next weekend we bought to halfcuts from suziworx . If you want to do a swap like this call mark at suziworx 54791877 we will let you no how they go.

the motor is in the only problem so far was the gearbox mount we didnt have a welder so we could not cut the old one and weld the new one on
so we addapted another mount it will be stronger though
but it did put us a couple of hours behind !!!!!!!!!

done

awsome

have you got any shots of the gearbox fellas?

i'd like to see what the back half of it looks like - i.e. the gearbox mounts, gearstick and tail housing.

thanks,
Greg

suz_rolly wrote:done

awsome

Messy


The intercooler certainly needs a hood scoop or else it will be a interheater

(don't mind me, it's turbo envy )

inthose pics i had not even changed the wireing loom yet i will post pics in the morning motor gbox and the dash conversion

feel free to ask q's

im still learning too

Is the Jimny turbo dash/cluster any different to a 13l dash/cluster?

it has engine check light cat light and turbo light but bolts in with the new loom

my old dash was the metal sj10 dash

You could Alter the SJ10 dash to have extra gauges such ast the turbo light... one ide is to drill a large hole in the top corner, smooth the edges clue on a perpex cover from the inside and have a sticker on the inside of the perspex saying 'turbo' with a small bulb and bezel mounted behind.

forget about the turbo light - that's no fun at all... go and get yourself a boost gauge instead...

Note: the only problem with the boost gauge is that less time is spent looking at the road

greg wrote:forget about the turbo light - that's no fun at all... go and get yourself a boost gauge instead...

Note: the only problem with the boost gauge is that less time is spent looking at the road

or Both its good that way