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How many k's can I roughly expect from a stock engine ? Well atleast before major issues that cost the $s

I know this would depend on if its been thrashed, how well its looked after and whatever else. But even worst case scenarios would be helpful.

Because mines done over 215 000 and from what I've been told 4 bangers don't last as long as bigger engines and even they can start having trouble at that much.

But then again it seems they can take a bit of a beating. So not really sure.

Also as a slightly less important question, out of interest, can the EFI from an old Swift or Barina be relatively easily put onto a Sierra engine ?

Pretty sure the only swift/barinas that had injection were the GTis, so no

I reckon between 200 and 250 is the average lifespan of these motors, mine was rebuilt at 220

Mine was at 200 as well. been thrashed for its life mind you.

all depends on how it was treated.

cheers

mine had 220 before i blew it up - but was my fault not the engines... it was very strong for its age and thrased-ness - would have easily seen 300k

seen plenty run healthily up to 200 but I've never seen one make it past 250 - 300 without blowing smoke and being noisy

my old RB30 VL was going sweet past 300, my bro has it now and it's kicking on hard still

Well I thought early 90s swifts had injection. I remember reading some article on the net and the guy was fixing up an old Swift (with SOHC engine) and was saying about the ECU, plus the engine is apparently TBI (atleast for the 1992 SOHC).

Know you can't always trust the net but I'd always personally thought they did.

Anyway, previous history is. Most of its life owned by a grandad, 3 years in the hands of a uni student and then onto me for about 6 months so far.

Hopefully it should last maybe another 10 000 or more. But should have quite a bit more money near the end of the year to do something with the it, doubt it'd rack up more than another 1-2k in that time. Just wanted to make sure it can last till then.

if its a case of prolonging it, just change oil and all filters, run some engine clean out stuff through it and give it a good tune up... mate of mine did this on a barina he drove which was well and truly dying - and it lasted another 9 months of performing PERFECT before returning to its previous point of .. well... crap =)

check all ya hoses too - mine only died at 220 cos i burst a pipe and didnt realise until my choke came on cos i had no rad fluid - so i cooked it driving out of the track and home (30km)! haha

How much does a rebuild on these things cost?

DrCarlo wrote:How much does a rebuild on these things cost?

suzisport kit is $550 plus frieght includes 4 x Pistons & Pins , Piston Rings, Big End Bearings , Main Bearings , Thrust Washers,Timing Belt , Water Pump , Timing Belt Tensioner, Complete Gasket Set, Welsh Plug Set, Torque setting sheet and Timing setup sheet.

Mine got rebuilt at 305K and it cost $900 for a mechanic to do it for me.

Acca Dacca wrote:Well I thought early 90s swifts had injection. I remember reading some article on the net and the guy was fixing up an old Swift (with SOHC engine) and was saying about the ECU, plus the engine is apparently TBI (atleast for the 1992 SOHC).

Know you can't always trust the net but I'd always personally thought they did.

Anyway, previous history is. Most of its life owned by a grandad, 3 years in the hands of a uni student and then onto me for about 6 months so far.

Hopefully it should last maybe another 10 000 or more. But should have quite a bit more money near the end of the year to do something with the it, doubt it'd rack up more than another 1-2k in that time. Just wanted to make sure it can last till then.

Yeah you might be right... there's some odd models floating around
a bloke at work had a 1600 TBI swift, he said it was an import but

Suzuki Australia's website has an article on a 86 sierra doing Edit: thanks alien i suck at maths 600 000kms + without rebuild, the owner simply followed the service maintainance schedule

I'm guesssing the guy has had it from new but it's a nice thought

6 million km?! holy crap! surely you mean 600 000???

6 million means he could have gone around the world almost 150 times (at the equator) by now! which means he was doing 315,790km per year, or 865km per day! lol

Don't think mine'll do that many.

Previous owner drove around in it running on only 3 cylinders for a bit, might have put some extra strain on the engine.

But yeah, I've serviced it myself, new plugs, oil, oil filter and air filter. Timing was retarded so advanced it to factory tiiming and corrected the idle speed. Running it on premium in the hope that might squeeze a bit of extra life from it. Probably won't but it doesn't cost much more for only a 40L tank.

Anyway, I'm going to look after it and not thrash it. Can't afford to replace/rebuild it at the moment.


OldGold: Well your probably right that normal swifts that aren't GTi don't have EFI. I probably just found out about some rare/overseas model or something.

550 for all those parts!!!

thats fantastic.. My pistons alone for my skyline would start at over $1000 bucks.

I love this sierra more and more everyday! haha

my drover did 290 000km before oil got shot out of it everywhere. read an article somewhere that reconned the life-span of the motors was about 190 000km. i decided to rip out the old motor and put in a 94 model gti DOHC motor to give me extra power. if going to the trouble, may as well make it worthwhile.

alien wrote:6 million km?! holy crap! surely you mean 600 000???

6 million means he could have gone around the world almost 150 times (at the equator) by now! which means he was doing 315,790km per year, or 865km per day! lol

dude 600 000 is far from 6 million 7 figures for millions 6 for hundred thousands .

UMM. it was 7 digits then i edited it

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:41 pm

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my drover did 290 000km before oil got shot out of it everywhere. read an article somewhere that reconned the life-span of the motors was about 190 000km. i decided to rip out the old motor and put in a 94 model gti DOHC motor to give me extra power. if going to the trouble, may as well make it worthwhile.

Is there any reson why the lifespan of a reco motor is shorter than the original?

Maybe because the bore has had alot of work on it and isn't being freshened up with the reco?

prob cause everything is already slightly enlarged, eg bore and yet the new pistons and rings still stay the factory size. also the main bearing journal on the crankshaft would be slightly worn, only ever so slightly. also depends on how the motor is worn in, if it is booted around the first corner after just being rebuilt, thats never good, cause all the parts are new. also, not all suzis reach 290,000.

I have a mate that used to race Dunnydoors and Nissin GTR's at Bathurst. He reckons they would only use a 2nd hand block for their race motors because they have been "cured" and are worn in. Also I reckon if you do NOTHING else in the way of servicing AT THE VERY LEAST change air, engine and fuel filters when needed. PS My 1ltr just blew up because of a @$#%^&$%# $20 thermostat not opening.

OldGold wrote:

Acca Dacca wrote:Well I thought early 90s swifts had injection. I remember reading some article on the net and the guy was fixing up an old Swift (with SOHC engine) and was saying about the ECU, plus the engine is apparently TBI (atleast for the 1992 SOHC).

Know you can't always trust the net but I'd always personally thought they did.

Anyway, previous history is. Most of its life owned by a grandad, 3 years in the hands of a uni student and then onto me for about 6 months so far.

Hopefully it should last maybe another 10 000 or more. But should have quite a bit more money near the end of the year to do something with the it, doubt it'd rack up more than another 1-2k in that time. Just wanted to make sure it can last till then.

Yeah you might be right... there's some odd models floating around
a bloke at work had a 1600 TBI swift, he said it was an import but

the 1600 tbi's where australian delivered i know because i have my second one out on the front lawn.They only came out in a limited number of swift sedans i think 90-92 very good engine heaps of power

nickw86au wrote:

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:41 pm

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my drover did 290 000km before oil got shot out of it everywhere. read an article somewhere that reconned the life-span of the motors was about 190 000km. i decided to rip out the old motor and put in a 94 model gti DOHC motor to give me extra power. if going to the trouble, may as well make it worthwhile.

Is there any reson why the lifespan of a reco motor is shorter than the original?

the ONLY reason is because out of factory, each, and every motor is balanced, and blue printed which barely anyone does these days as they have no idea of the advantages it can provide. most people cant justify spending huge amounts of dollars to blue print, and balance a motor, but creates slightly more power, and makes sure everything is running all in time, and balance with each other, causing the motor to last that bit longer.

Vineboy wrote:I have a mate that used to race Dunnydoors and Nissin GTR's at Bathurst. He reckons they would only use a 2nd hand block for their race motors because they have been "cured" and are worn in. Also I reckon if you do NOTHING else in the way of servicing AT THE VERY LEAST change air, engine and fuel filters when needed. PS My 1ltr just blew up because of a @$#%^&$%# $20 thermostat not opening.

That's true, but Dunnydores and GTRs have cast iron blocks, whereas G13s are alloy.

97zook wrote:

nickw86au wrote:

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:41 pm

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my drover did 290 000km before oil got shot out of it everywhere. read an article somewhere that reconned the life-span of the motors was about 190 000km. i decided to rip out the old motor and put in a 94 model gti DOHC motor to give me extra power. if going to the trouble, may as well make it worthwhile.

Is there any reson why the lifespan of a reco motor is shorter than the original?

the ONLY reason is because out of factory, each, and every motor is balanced, and blue printed which barely anyone does these days as they have no idea of the advantages it can provide. most people cant justify spending huge amounts of dollars to blue print, and balance a motor, but creates slightly more power, and makes sure everything is running all in time, and balance with each other, causing the motor to last that bit longer.

The only reason?
Potentially inferior parts? Reco parts coming from cheap factories instead of Suzuki?

my sierra has done 402 000 K's but i dont know the history of it so its possible it has been rebuilt half of its life ago haha. anyways im an engine re-builder and im pretty sure i did a quote for a sierra engine not long ago for $1400, that includes crank being re-ground ontop of all the usuall like new pistons, and bore and hone the block. if anyone is interested we are called ingear industries and we are on the gold coast (aus) PM for more info

redhotzook wrote:my sierra has done 402 000 K's but i dont know the history of it so its possible it has been rebuilt half of its life ago haha. anyways im an engine re-builder and im pretty sure i did a quote for a sierra engine not long ago for $1400, that includes crank being re-ground ontop of all the usuall like new pistons, and bore and hone the block. if anyone is interested we are called ingear industries and we are on the gold coast (aus) PM for more info

$1400????

might as well buy an injected motor and install it for that price!

mate, thats 20-40 thou over pistons, quick porting to get rid of any noticeable steps and mis-shapes. you get alot for how much u pay. u cant base it on what the engine is worth though. if u give me a SR20det engine (which is worth $1500-$2500) the cost of a rebuild is only gonna be like $20 more cause there are more valves in each cylinder. u know...???

redhotzook wrote:my sierra has done 402 000 K's but i dont know the history of it so its possible it has been rebuilt half of its life ago haha. anyways im an engine re-builder and im pretty sure i did a quote for a sierra engine not long ago for $1400, that includes crank being re-ground ontop of all the usuall like new pistons, and bore and hone the block. if anyone is interested we are called ingear industries and we are on the gold coast (aus) PM for more info

is that the mob in on kendor st near gibbs?