Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:42 pm**

Rocky road sell conversion kits for YJ Wrangler springs to go into zook's, has anyone here done anything like this? Any idea if it's a good swap?

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:51 pm**

I believe the YJ spring conversion is effectively running a "chassis extension" type setup with some longer leaf springs in the front in order to achieve more travel in the front end.

I'm not running YJ springs, but i am running Old Man Emu Rear springs at the front with an extended chassis and i love it.

Perhaps this goes part of the way towards answering your question?

Cheers,

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 4:16 pm**

the YJ springs are the same as hilux fronts.

are you wanting to run their standard kit or shackle reversal?

I've got some laser cut bits of steel to the mod in shackle reversal. but I'm going to hold out until the end of the year to do it.

in my opinion it's a great mod.

I'll post some pics of what sort of flex you can get from it (courtesy of geoff).

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 4:42 pm**

The biggest problem I can see with the YJs is the scarcity of the springs ..

(second hand ones are going for stupid prices) I have a set of wagoneer springs that I want to try out.. apparently they flex as well as the YJ's but do not suffer from anywhere near the wrap issues ..

Guy

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 4:43 pm**

you got a set of front waggys ???

if you dont use them i will

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 5:15 pm**

I got two .. for front and rear .. :cool:

$200 .. place in Qld ( dont recall name sorry) and $40 shipping.

Guy

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 5:30 pm**

as I said the springs are the same as hilux fronts. now these springs are very common.

been looking at doing this mod for well over a year now. just never had the time nor drive to do it.

here are the pics promised.

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Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 5:35 pm**

front travel aint bad for a spook with leaf springs.
:finger:

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Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 7:00 pm**

skippy wrote:the YJ springs are the same as hilux fronts.

Damn I wish I'd known that earlier, I'd abandoned this idea due to the scarcity of the springs here. The mod also apparently slightly reduces approach angle.

Do the luxy springs have the same spring rates as well, or are they just the same physical size?

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 7:04 pm**

not sure about spring rates mate. but you could play with the pack to get it how you want it. physically they are the same size or very fawkin close.

the approach angle from the CSC(or sumo) s/r yj kit doesn't reduce the approach angle, as you no longer have a shackle hangle down at the front.

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 7:16 pm**

Been a while since I looked at it. I thought that the bolt on mount at the front actually stuck out a bit further. I also had a bugger of a time getting responses to e-mails from CSC.
Hmmm may have to revisit this idea :cool:

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 7:27 pm**

BTW review of the CSC kit here:

http://www.off-road.com/suzuki/reviews/cssuspension.htm

Just tried their web site
http://www.canyonstatecomponents.com/

and it redirects to a search engine

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 8:11 pm**

I have CJ7 jeep springs in the rear, ome +2 inch sierra rears in the front, both required the mounts to be moved. Flex is pretty good. 6.129 transfer case plus 5.89 diff gears gives it plenty of spring wrap/ axle tramp under load though.
I wouldn't buy anything else from rocky road though....

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2003 8:15 pm**

spazbot wrote:you got a set of front waggys ???

if you dont use them i will

I have a set of front Waggys here im not using.

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:44 am**

I'm pretty sure the csc stuff isn't being built any more. fred has closed up shop.

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:01 am**

skippy wrote:the YJ springs are the same as hilux fronts.

Length is the same but hilux fronts have an offset center so the axle will be in a different location compared to using YJ springs.

Get some 1" - 1.5" lifted YJ springs from OME...you'll be suprised how cheap they are..

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:03 am**

how do the widths of hilux, yj and waggy springs compare to zuk ones. Because if they are wider this will involve making spring mounts and spring plates.

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:05 am**

YJ's are 2.5" wide, so 0.5" wider than zook. This is why people were originally going CJ springs (same width).

Yep, you need to adjust for the width, these kits do it with bolt on mounts and shackles that are different widths at each end.

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:07 am**

Trail Tough have the most popular YJ conversion kit in the US

http://www.trailtough.com/suspension1.htm

You can request no front drop shackle if you want to keep it legal.

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:32 am**

What width are the wagoneer springs, and whats the spring rate like on them?

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2003 2:57 pm**

asian auto parts of arizona have a kit that most people in the states are fabbing up themselves.

it's the shackle reversal kit. the trail tough kit isn't s/r.

http://www.asianautopartsofaz.com/

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:13 pm**

Personally, I'd rather stay away from a SR on a SWB vehicle, easier to engineer as well..just my 2cents

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:17 pm**

The only thing i have ever seen written about them being bad is because of them causing brake dive...but not having ever driven one i wouldnt be able to comment

Posted: **Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:39 am**

Also read about them hanging up when trying to reverse of ledges...

Posted: **Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:57 pm**

seen a zook with a shackle reversal kit here in canberra looks good standing there but id say the llllong front mount will get caught way before a standard shackle would, and thediff angle was standard i thinks he best get shares in the uni joint factory angles were to extreme, also even with drive shaft spacers he has experienced the shaft slipping out while going over logs & or rocks !