Outer Limits 4x4 Board

As above ive just done duals and blown a hardend CV so lookin at Bobbys 30 spline or 27 spline farknos which to get anyone got any real advice for me on what to get?
I have 2.4tubo diesel surf auto dual case 5.7 diffs that are holding well but the birf just shat itself .
Ive read about the longs on here but was hoping for some updates b4 i buy .
Also have a detroit soft lokker in the front .
Cheers Dave
and do go air lokka i dont wnat 1
LOLOL

Spend your money on the 27 splines

You didnt say what size tyres you are using.

34x11.5 JT2s Looking at 35 ET2s in the near future.
Why the 27 spline any reason?
I will cary a spare birf and axle so if a 30 brekas ill swap it out with stock inner and outer

I run the 30 spliners and have done now for quite a few months
THEY ARE THE BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE FRONT OF A LUX

I did brake a free wheeling hub which did then strip the spline of the end of the 30 spline cv

But all good now i have changed to 80 constent
won't be haveing that problem agian

I have to bring some in for a mate of mine so if i can be of anymore help PM me
thanks

Hey 83lux thanks mate .
what do you mean you went 80 constant do you mean you have the hubs from an 80 series full time 4wd?
Thanks Mate will be going the 30s if i go and get gota get the misses to let me spend some more $$$ i said the duals where the last Mod LOLOLOLOL
Owell
Cheers Dave

bulldogy wrote:Hey 83lux thanks mate .
what do you mean you went 80 constant do you mean you have the hubs from an 80 series full time 4wd? yer that way the studs should brake first instead of the hub and then the spline of the end of the cvCheers Dave

Dont worry it never ends

I'm running 30 spliners and have been since Tuff Truck. I've given them a pounding. I'm trying to limit the load that I put on them though. There is still stuff I won't do - nothing is indestructable. However, stuff that previously would break a hardened CV, I attempt with ease of mind. I just try to stay within a safe threshold.

27 spliners just break the inner axle - even chromo ones!

Have any of you guys pulled them out yet and inspected them? Like pulled them apart,cleaned and had a look at them? I know BeeBee told me his click occasionally. Usually Clicking comes from dented Stars and Bells. But it is unusual for the Clicking to come and go.

I just cant beleive that there have only been a couple of failures in these so far.

Only thing i can think is that all the guys that were realy getting it with Toy Axles over the last few years had allready given up and gone to D60s. I dont know of any comp rigs in the US running these(Other than F-Toys) where as when the original ringed Longs came out there were still a few rigs running with Toy axles.

I just dont beleive that you guys are getting it hard enough to hurt them

I run 30 spline Longs. I've had no problems, but as RUFF said, I am not getting it on hard enough to hurt them

Dave

Well when i get em ill hurt them no point goin for harder shit then goin softer.
May as well go back to ifs
cheers

RUFF wrote:Have any of you guys pulled them out yet and inspected them? Like pulled them apart,cleaned and had a look at them? I know BeeBee told me his click occasionally. Usually Clicking comes from dented Stars and Bells. But it is unusual for the Clicking to come and go.

I just cant beleive that there have only been a couple of failures in these so far.

Only thing i can think is that all the guys that were realy getting it with Toy Axles over the last few years had allready given up and gone to D60s. I dont know of any comp rigs in the US running these(Other than F-Toys) where as when the original ringed Longs came out there were still a few rigs running with Toy axles.

I just dont beleive that you guys are getting it hard enough to hurt them

hey ruff you are doing CVs for GQs now are you not? if so how much a pair to Syd?

Brand New Heavy Duty Treated GQ CVs= $350 Each Plus $20 Freight Each anywhere in Aus.

Brand New Heavy DutyTreated Hilux/Cruiser CVs= $300 Each Plus $20 Freight Each anywhere in Aus.

Should have Brand New Heavy Duty Treated 80 series CVs available soon.

out of curiosity what brand are the new cv's you use ntn still available

bubs wrote:out of curiosity what brand are the new cv's you use ntn still available

Yes these are all NTN CVs. Brand New not Remanufactured.

hey ruff,

do you or can you supply treated axles to match? are these even needed?

sierrajim wrote:hey ruff,

do you or can you supply treated axles to match? are these even needed?

thinking the same thing

sierrajim wrote:hey ruff,

do you or can you supply treated axles to match? are these even needed?

Sorry cant supply Axles. Can supply a limited number of GQ inner axles(stock untreated). Only because most of the time we cant buy the CV without the axle.

I haven't pulled mine apart yet as I don't have any spare circlips (these may be a std toyota item but not sure). Other problem is having to bash them in order to break the circlip doesn't sound like a good idea just to have a look. However, on the 2 occasions I've had my front end apart since they were installed, I've noticed that the CVs were unusually tight for a used CV. You expect a new unused CV to be really tight but the longs are amost too tight to move by hand. Maybe that's a good thing maybe it's not but I know it's certainly a different case to the 1st generation longs that rattled like miraccas when new!!

beebee wrote:I haven't pulled mine apart yet as I don't have any spare circlips (these may be a std toyota item but not sure). Other problem is having to bash them in order to break the circlip doesn't sound like a good idea just to have a look. However, on the 2 occasions I've had my front end apart since they were installed, I've noticed that the CVs were unusually tight for a used CV. You expect a new unused CV to be really tight but the longs are amost too tight to move by hand. Maybe that's a good thing maybe it's not but I know it's certainly a different case to the 1st generation longs that rattled like miraccas when new!!

Yes, he uses standard Toyota circlips. Mine came unattached and they had to be assembled together. They are tighter than a virgin, LOL. Maybe it is the design, but these Longs are much easier to insert with the circlip than the stocker. The stocker almost needs a second person to guide the circlip into the CV.

Dave

I assumed that the circlips were standard. I'm not used to them as I've always had my inner axles mar-tacked and never relied on the outer circlip. The CVs themselves are certainly tight - but that's the way I like it!!

RUFF wrote:Have any of you guys pulled them out yet and inspected them? Like pulled them apart,cleaned and had a look at them? I know BeeBee told me his click occasionally. Usually Clicking comes from dented Stars and Bells. But it is unusual for the Clicking to come and go.

I just cant beleive that there have only been a couple of failures in these so far.

Only thing i can think is that all the guys that were realy getting it with Toy Axles over the last few years had allready given up and gone to D60s. I dont know of any comp rigs in the US running these(Other than F-Toys) where as when the original ringed Longs came out there were still a few rigs running with Toy axles.

I just dont beleive that you guys are getting it hard enough to hurt them

about 4 months ago my driverside c/v was clicking it happend after using the front locker but only at full lock it went away after a couple off weeks i thought i might have cracked the cage if they are going to you are going to get an order tony

Your product against my 30 spline Longfield Superset any time any place Ruff.

"I dont know of any comp rigs in the US running these ... just dont beleive that you guys are getting it hard enough to hurt them " ... open the other eye and have a wee gander @ Pirate4x4.com

Good on ya for endorsing your belief and pride in your own product, but a little more honest perspective and a little less scaremongering is called for don't you think !

Leithfield wrote:Your product against my 30 spline Longfield Superset any time any place Ruff.

"I dont know of any comp rigs in the US running these ... just dont beleive that you guys are getting it hard enough to hurt them " ... open the other eye and have a wee gander @ Pirate4x4.com

Goon on ya for endorsing your belief and pride in your own product, but a little more honest perspective and a little less scaremongering is called for don't you think !

Did you notice the smilie at the end of my post? I was being Sarcastic

So have you pulled yours out? Im not disputing they are strong. BeeBee has broken his fair share of CVs including our old style and he drives hard enough to know these are strong. All i have asked is if anyone has pulled a set of these out and inspected them? As i know BeeBee's have made noise and there is only one thing that usually makes a CV Click. And thats deformation in the star or Bell.

And trust me i have spent my fair share of time on Pirate and i can guarentee i have read every thread on that site that has anything to do with Longfields. Its a term i search everytime i look at that site.

As for being Dis-Honest i have no idea where you are getting that idea.

Sorry i also should not have said i dont know of Any Comp Rigs in the US running the 30Spline set but there are no rigs finishing in the TOP 10 in the highest classes of any of the current Rock Crawling series(CalRocs,W.E.Rock,UROC). They are all running Dana 60 gear or Hybrid 9"/D60 and even Tractor Axles but no Longs. Now if these Chromo Longs had been on the market a couple of year ago then you may have seen some of the Top Runners running them and had a real idea on how strong they are. But the top runners had no choice but to swap out Toy gear for Dana gear due to strength issues.

There is a 4 Wheel Steer Buggy being built at the moment in the US that will be running these front and rear. It will be interesting to see how they hold up. I know i wouldnt recomend anyone using our CVs in a rear steer application.

I also dont beleive Our Product is better then the 30Spline longs. At least it shouldnt be as ours are stock modified CVs. These longs are built with some of the best material available. Difference is our Hilux Cvs are $640 a pair delivered anywhere in Aus. For the 30 spline longs you are looking at $1200+(This is a generous Guestimation)a Pair landed in Aus.

But if your keen to put one against the other i will be happy to send you a set of ours and you send me a set of the 30 Splines and we will run them for 2 days only on our own choice of terrains and then pull them out and see which is damaged more. It could only be fair that you test ours and i test yours. Im still not saying that ours is stronger but seing as how BeeBee's are clicking i think i can damage these fairly easy. BeeBee drives like a Girl

RUFF wrote:I also dont beleive Our Product is better then the 30Spline longs. At least it shouldnt be as ours are stock modified CVs. These longs are built with some of the best material available. Difference is our Hilux Cvs are $640 a pair delivered anywhere in Aus. For the 30 spline longs you are looking at $1200+(This is a generous Guestimation)a Pair landed in Aus.

Yeh you pay for what you get these days dont ya shit v's great = $$$

i would love to see a test of these two cv's side by side and let the cv do the talking

kroozer91 wrote:[i would love to see a test of these two cv's side by side and let the cv do the talking

By all rights ours should break first. Its still just a stock CV that has been treated. Its not made from 4340 Chromoly and 300M like the Longfield is.

RUFF, your idea has some merit... but to get a true test,...

you guys better send ME a pair of each....



CV'S for sale!!!!!!

does Leithfield = longfield = bobby?

also did i hear a rumour about another company bringing out 40 spline cv's?