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Im building my wagon to be able to put it into comps to start im looking at trophy class in tough tracks and similar class in winch challange feel i must crawl before i walk.
Question is can i run a exo cage but similar to the old troopies roof rack,so i can unbolt when not competing or do i have to run a internal and have it blue plated for road use.
If internal can i have a few recomendations please
Kind regards

Dave Metcallfe of the Xtreme Winch Challenge will not recognise external roll cages. He has deemed that internal, approved cages will be the only ones allowed to compete in his winch challenge events. Tough Tracks would be fine with external cages though.

beebee wrote:Dave Metcallfe of the Xtreme Winch Challenge will not recognise external roll cages. He has deemed that internal, approved cages will be the only ones allowed to compete in his winch challenge events. Tough Tracks would be fine with external cages though.

get on the ccda site, all the specs are there, exo not allowed

In my opionion go internal as exo will eventually be not allowed in all events.

LudaCris

Are you allowed both, the exo to protect the vehicle and the internal to protect yourself?

You are allowed both.

LudaCris

yeh i just got a 4 point internal built in my extra cab all to approved regulations and it cost me $950 weld in real good job to, got extra bars put into the roof between front and rear as well but were not requried


pm me if you want the guys number for cages he is in capalaba

Thank to everyone for the feed back to my question i shall follow up on the advice.
It hard when you start off everyone has their own ideas.
Kind regards.

not 100% sure on this, but i was chatting to some of the competitors about this very subject at the XWC in wauchope last weekend, and a few of them said that although 4pt cages will be still be allowed for the remainder of this year, as part of a new ruling, from the start of next season only 6pt cages will be allowed

no more 4pt cages to be used

Elmo wrote:not 100% sure on this, but i was chatting to some of the competitors about this very subject at the XWC in wauchope last weekend, and a few of them said that although 4pt cages will be still be allowed for the remainder of this year, as part of a new ruling, from the start of next season only 6pt cages will be allowed

no more 4pt cages to be used

What about single cabs? Or will bars need to be run through the back of the cab to the 5th and 6th "point" at the rear? Is there an exception for the single cabs?

YeeHaa wrote:

Elmo wrote:not 100% sure on this, but i was chatting to some of the competitors about this very subject at the XWC in wauchope last weekend, and a few of them said that although 4pt cages will be still be allowed for the remainder of this year, as part of a new ruling, from the start of next season only 6pt cages will be allowed

no more 4pt cages to be used

What about single cabs? Or will bars need to be run through the back of the cab to the 5th and 6th "point" at the rear? Is there an exception for the single cabs?

I read somewhere that on single cab utes you can run a ute type rollcage as well as your internal cage, that way you dont have to cut through your cab.

MARKx4 wrote:

YeeHaa wrote:

Elmo wrote:not 100% sure on this, but i was chatting to some of the competitors about this very subject at the XWC in wauchope last weekend, and a few of them said that although 4pt cages will be still be allowed for the remainder of this year, as part of a new ruling, from the start of next season only 6pt cages will be allowed

no more 4pt cages to be used

What about single cabs? Or will bars need to be run through the back of the cab to the 5th and 6th "point" at the rear? Is there an exception for the single cabs?

I read somewhere that on single cab utes you can run a ute type rollcage as well as your internal cage, that way you dont have to cut through your cab.

That would be a much better alternative.

I'd be interested to hear what others are doing where they want to retain a rear seat.
If you weld in a diagonal main hoop support then effectively you can't use the back seat......and I believe the vehicle should be engineered/rego'ed as a 2 seater.....

Anyone got ideas on ways around that???

Can you use bolt in parts or bars?

As such to wooders comment.

Run the full cage for comps and unbolt the offending bars to run for weekday runs.

cheers

As long as your diagnals are padded then you will be alright with getting it approved being a wogon 5 seater..

I have been looking into the roll cage rules and the most stringent in pipe using CDS or CDW minimum of 45. mm 2.5mm wall thickness or 50.mm 2.0mm wall thickness. What are you guys using to bend up your cages and are they CCDA approved.

LudaCris

ludacris wrote:As long as your diagnals are padded then you will be alright with getting it approved being a wogon 5 seater..

I have been looking into the roll cage rules and the most stringent in pipe using CDS or CDW minimum of 45. mm 2.5mm wall thickness or 50.mm 2.0mm wall thickness. What are you guys using to bend up your cages and are they CCDA approved.

LudaCris

dude i think ya got ya measurements wrong, cause that is some very chunky pipe, pipe is measured on ID, where tube is measured on OD,

40nb would probably be the most common size.

customhilux wrote:

ludacris wrote:As long as your diagnals are padded then you will be alright with getting it approved being a wogon 5 seater..

I have been looking into the roll cage rules and the most stringent in pipe using CDS or CDW minimum of 45. mm 2.5mm wall thickness or 50.mm 2.0mm wall thickness. What are you guys using to bend up your cages and are they CCDA approved.

LudaCris

dude i think ya got ya measurements wrong, cause that is some very chunky pipe, pipe is measured on ID, where tube is measured on OD,

40nb would probably be the most common size.

The CCDA rules state in section 5.4 MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS

Minimum dimensions
All outside mesurments

Main Hoop 44.45mm O/D 2.5mm Thickness
50.00mm O/D 2.0mm Thickness

All other componets 38mm O/D 2.5mm Thickness
40mm O/D 2.0mm Thickness

nah thats kewl,

but just a warning for someone who go's to buy pipe to do it,

u ask for 40mm, you'll get 40mm NB. which will be closer to 50mm OD.

i don't know the rules of cages, just fitter talk thats all,

i could be wrong here,

but pipe is ID
and tube is OD.

customhilux wrote:nah thats kewl,

but just a warning for someone who go's to buy pipe to do it,

u ask for 40mm, you'll get 40mm NB. which will be closer to 50mm OD.

i don't know the rules of cages, just fitter talk thats all,

i could be wrong here,

but pipe is ID
and tube is ID.

comon craig....get ur agrueing stick out like at tony;s over this

customhilux wrote: but pipe is ID
and tube is ID.

customhilux wrote:but pipe is ID
and tube is ID.

I think you mean
Pipe is measured ID (Well not exectly NB nominal bore isnt exactly ID)
Tube is OD

ausyota wrote:

customhilux wrote:but pipe is ID
and tube is ID.

I think you mean
Pipe is measured ID (Well not exectly NB nominal bore isnt exactly ID)
Tube is OD

my turn... what does OD, ID and NB all stand for?

De-lux wrote:

ausyota wrote:

customhilux wrote:but pipe is ID
and tube is ID.

I think you mean
Pipe is measured ID (Well not exectly NB nominal bore isnt exactly ID)
Tube is OD

my turn... what does OD, ID and NB all stand for?

My thinking would be ( correct me if i am wrong )
ID=inner/inside diameter
OD=outer/outside diameter
NB=nominal bore

ausyota wrote:

customhilux wrote:but pipe is ID
and tube is ID.

I think you mean
Pipe is measured ID (Well not exectly NB nominal bore isnt exactly ID)
Tube is OD

my bad fixed that post,

when u buy pipe your not going to go someone where and ask for,

40.235mm pipe, they're goin to give u 40NB.

ok can anyone tell me the difference between pipe and tube as they are both round and hollow i was under the (influence) impression they were the same.

Tube is usually the thin exhuast stuff. Around 0.65mm thin.

LudaCris

tube is seamless,

designed to hold pressure.

dwaynes wrote:

De-lux wrote:

ausyota wrote:

customhilux wrote:but pipe is ID
and tube is ID.

I think you mean
Pipe is measured ID (Well not exectly NB nominal bore isnt exactly ID)
Tube is OD

my turn... what does OD, ID and NB all stand for?

My thinking would be ( correct me if i am wrong )
ID=inner/inside diameter
OD=outer/outside diameter
NB=nominal bore

The use of the term NB is a reference to standard pipe used in pipe instalations. Nominal bore refers to Shedule 40 pipe in the approximate ID 10NB=3/8" pipe, 15NB=1/2", 20NB=3/4", 25NB=1", 32NB=1 1/4", 40NB=1 1/2", 50NB=2", etc etc. To get thicker wall section ( for higher pressures) you quote Shedule 80 (old school extra strong)or Shedule 160 (XX strong) but the OD of the pipe stays the same so all screwed pipe fittings are compatable for example shedule 160 40NB pipe has got a bore of approx 30mm . I work in a steel plant maintenance and you get used to the system its just hard to make sense of it if you dont use it all the time. As for tubing it is measured on the OD which is usally a standard size and it does come in welded and seamless it just changes construction for different pressures. If you go to you standard type steel merchant they usually stock all the std pipe sizes and the tubing would be a special order or most bullbar manufactures use this type of tubing and have the benders to bend it properly.

Wally

ive been looking around everywhere, but i cant find the specks for the right size pipe for chromoly, isnt somthing like 38mm OD for the main hoop. Thats what i heard

GQ4.8coilcab wrote:ive been looking around everywhere, but i cant find the specks for the right size pipe for chromoly, isnt somthing like 38mm OD for the main hoop. Thats what i heard

I would suggest not to use chromoly as as you need a good tig welder who known chromoly as you need to get the colours right of the welds are only as strong as any standard CDW / CDS cage and pay twice the price for it