Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Many people have just laughed when i've asked about getting the new motor engineered. I've been told not to bother coz no one will know its any different. Sure, I will save some money but what about the legalities and insurance. What have you done or what would you do?

I'd say yes, but it also depends on what motor your doing if its a step up from an 18r to 22r then I probibly wouldn't worry. But if it requires any structural changes to mounting pads , crossmember etc then I would get it engineered just for the peace of mind.

id rather spend the time when it is apart that have it deregistered then have to do it then

If your doing a direct swap ie same make/size etc...then it's ok....BUT if you're doing ANY sort of stepup (as you generally would) the get the engineer involved ASAP & I mean before you start ripping into it.....

i was told that if it was a factory offered engine in that model then it was owner certified.


NICK

I'm going to put in the Leyland 4.4 block which is just a bigger rover 3.5 but unfortunately it was never put into a land rover (i don't think) If anyone can prove otherwise, i'd be bloody pleased coz then it could just go straight in!

the other point that i will raise here, is the fact that people always seem to be getting around to engineering there junk.

" yeah well ill get the motor done when i get the cage and tyres done "


if like me, you never get around to it.


NICK

If i was going to insure the truck / or drive it on the road then yes i would get it 'certed'.
(The last thing you need is the insurance assessor looking for a way for them to 'get out' of paying up after a crash.)

If it was a 'bush' truck, then i wouldn't bother.

My .02c
Phil

Yep if its a bush truck that doesn't get used on road than i wouldn't worry about it!

If you are going to drive it on the road then i would, particularly in this day and time!

If you swap it and its not approved (which also means the insurance companies WILL NOT insure it) and you run over someone then BYE BYE see you in 30 years!

If you do it and you just leave it registered and insured and don't tell anyone and the same thing happens than the insurance company won't have a Bar of it and once again your screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!

All modifications MUST be stated on your insurance policy and MUST be approved modifications!!!! This also applys to little things like body lifts etc etc!

My 92 Sierra is engineered with a spring over, a 1.6 and 33" tyres, I was stopped by mr plod last week and while I did recieve a ticket for no front number plate he couldn't get me for all the mods, I was very happy, he wasn't.
Get the engineers certificate, mainly for the insurance reasons but also for peace of mind.
Peter.

TuffRR wrote:I'm going to put in the Leyland 4.4 block which is just a bigger rover 3.5 but unfortunately it was never put into a land rover (i don't think) If anyone can prove otherwise, i'd be bloody pleased coz then it could just go straight in!

Bushrangies are a limited production vehicle with adr compliance, I think John Davis offered this motor as a option (I could be wrong). If this is the case you may be able to argue that the 4.4 has been used in a RR.

But IMHO for $300 you'd be stupid not to get the cert. Then you know you will always be insured and you won't lose you house if you have an accident and people sue YOU because your insurer told you to piss off.

I haven't done a 4X4 before, but I did put an illegal engine into my last car. It was a '84 Charade - standard engine was an almighty 3 cylinder 998cc carby pile of poo dynoed at 42hp at the wheels. I put a Jap import twin cam EFI turbo 3cyl 998cc engine in- instant 75kW at the front wheels without the boost turned up. It was a weapon running 15.6 second 1/4 mile at Adelaide International Raceway because it only weighed 620kg).

I never got it engineered, but also drove it sensibly and kept it looking bog standard outside to avoid attention. If I did the same thing again I would do it legally. I had it insured as a Charade Turbo because that model also came out with a carby turbo engine (no where near as powerful as the one I put in though ). Luckily I never had an accident in the six years I drove it around- but it was always a worry and in the back of my mind.....

I was glad to get rid of it in a way. I did the right thing thing when I sold it and told the guy it wasn't legal. If only my Feroza was as fast...

Look at it this way, if you caused a multiple car accident, could you afford for your insurer to reject your claim?? Now, this is only considering the financial aspect. What is you injured or killed someone?? I'm not in a hurry to meet Big Bubba in jail.

I think it's definitely worth the time and effort to get a conversion certified if the engine wasn't a factory option. If it was a factory option then its just a simple numbers change through the RTA (NSW).

Regards,
Matt.

Maggot4x4 wrote:

TuffRR wrote: But IMHO for $300 you'd be stupid not to get the cert.

Engineers have gone up shit loads due to insurance and they can really charge what they like...

...bloke was quoted just for tires from 31 -> 35's "lots over $500" in Vic from Kevin W.... :o

kcw how i loathe that name

N*A*M wrote:kcw how i loathe that name

he put the kybosh on your zook project?

I'd definetly do it for piece of mind. And not just for engine, everything else that requires it as well..

I enquired yesterday about changing my rego to QLD and mentioned the Bodylift. Was told if it looks like it's been done right, they'll register me up here without need for engineers certificate ???

bogged wrote:

Maggot4x4 wrote:

TuffRR wrote: But IMHO for $300 you'd be stupid not to get the cert.

Engineers have gone up shit loads due to insurance and they can really charge what they like...

...bloke was quoted just for tires from 31 -> 35's "lots over $500" in Vic from Kevin W.... :o

The trick is to get a group of vehicle's done at the same time. So if you have mates that need stuff done get them all together and get them done all at once.

Well pays not to believe what others say. Just called the Engineer, and its not the $650 we were told.. Try $275 + Vicroads costs.

to go from 31->35s on a GQ in Victoria.


1) Speedo Checked. + or 1 10%
(The ADR has wider gap than the cops 10% V 3%!. Even if it meets the ADR it may not pass the law ) Ringwood speedos is where to get it checked in Vic.

2) Additional rear refectors as your car goes up, it wont pass ADR 13
Reflectors are to be no more than 900 mm reflectors high. Stick on ADR approved reflectors on rear bumpers.

3) Headlights re-aimed.

4) to Engineer for a Brake and handling test.

5) Wheels dont hit anything at full droop or compression.

$ 300.00 inc Vic roads costs.


*Remember this is for tires only*

Which engineer did you speak to?

ADR 13 only applies to vehicles manafactured 1991 onwards.
But it is probably easier to stick some junk on your bumper than argue it with them.

Are the ADR's able to be accessed anywhere electronically. I have been unable to find anything by searching.

nah, you have to subscribe to them. Costs $

TuffRR wrote:I'm going to put in the Leyland 4.4 block which is just a bigger rover 3.5 but unfortunately it was never put into a land rover (i don't think) If anyone can prove otherwise, i'd be bloody pleased coz then it could just go straight in!

So long as the power output is not considered "significantly greater" and the physical dimensions are the same then engineers cert shouldn't eb required. I think you'll fail option 1 there...........