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Hi all do any of you know anything about Acme Winchs
found a web site with acme winchs from 8500lbs to 12000lbs cheap as.
prices range from 700 to 800 $$$$$$ cakinkers

and now i just need to see some feed back before buying two of them
Cheers
Brendon

just brought a df-12000 which is the same as the acme i think
the specs and pictures are identical other than a acme sticker on it


will let you know this weekend how it goes as i am going to try and put it through some tests

basically i looked at it as being cheap and if it can pull me out of the crap once in a while while i save for decent one that is if this dont last.

and to top it it off i got a 12 month waranty so will be interesting.

cool yeah let me know will be interested in knowing anyone else ??? have or know of someone with one

bushytas wrote:Hi all do any of you know anything about Acme Winchs
found a web site with acme winchs from 8500lbs to 12000lbs cheap as.
prices range from 700 to 800 $$$$$$ cakinkers

and now i just need to see some feed back before buying two of them
Cheers
Brendon

Post up the web link please.

Added to the book of winches

Kingy

Ask this guy he might be able to help

blkmav wrote:Ask this guy he might be able to help

What is this post suppose to mean ????? Or is it another useless post with on helpful information

Are you suggesting to talk to the road runner ????

maybe i should turn this into a poll

A do you think this its a useless post

B do you think hes trying to trick us

C is the information in anyway related to talking to someone on this forum .

mate you have to be more clear with your post

there is some of them winches binging sold on ebay too

Perhaps he is making reference to the inferior Acme product that Wile Coyote used in the cartoons????

Not nocking this stuff as i've never had anything to do with it, but you usually depend on recovery gear.

Imagine buying a cheapie snatch strap and having it fail, maybe even having your car stuck in a deep bog hole, filling with water and your winch does not work?

bushytas wrote:What is this post suppose to mean ????? Or is it another useless post with on helpful information

mate you have to be more clear with your post

In the Road Runner cartoons, Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius, always used to buy parts for his traps from a company called ACME - the same brand name as these winches.

So I guess it was another useless post with no helpful information, but it wasn't a bad call.

I had a look at the ACME winches website and the specs for their 9500lb winch and their 12000lb winch are funny. They have the same horsepower motor, same gearing, and same drum, but the 9500lb one uses more current at any given load, and has a higher claimed line speed. This is a little weird because given the speed/current specs, you would kind of expect the 9500lb one to have a different gear ratio. [This is the difference with the 8500lb one - same motor power, higher current, less gearing.]

The only explanation I can see for the difference is that they must use a different motor (but with the same 5.5hp rating), with the 12000lb motor being slower and more torquey. However, the motors look much the same in the photos. Something dodgy there.

Actually I just looked some more and it's a bit odd, the 9500lb is faster than the 8500lb if you look at metres/minute, but slower in feet/minute. I guess it's better to use the 9500lb on a metric vehicle.

Anyway, it brings back the same question - is it not smarter to buy a 2nd hand warn winch than a brand new chinese knock-off? Tempting as these cheap brand new winches are, they are going to be made of soft, crappy steel.

Jason

Bruce's (SWAT) bro has got a cheap $1000 repco winch it's a chinese knock-off I think.
It died and repco could not get parts so Bruce fixed it he will be the man to ask me thinks.

cheers Scott

well all i can say is everyone has there opinions. Dont get me wrong i have no issues with the warn as i would by one if funds permitted and i am not a big beliver of buying second hand recover gear.

for me i thought i would give it a go and try them out admitedly mine is not labled the acme but from the specs identical.

Time will tell as with all things.

I understood the road runner link straight away..........

Seems odd that there are no contact deatils at all that I could find on the website? No return address, phone or fax or anything??

I reckon I would stick with a known brand - Warn have released the Tabor which is their budget version - maybe backup would be better??

This is all true and all good points but my money is not going to go as far as to buy a warn or one of its cheaper brothers.
The email address is on the site and I have emailed the guy he has informed me the winch is all steel gearing in the box and are good winches even know he would say that just to sell one but he seems clued up.
I wouldn’t want to run one as a comp winch but I would say for the amount of time I would use it I would have to say it great cash spent I believe.

All part can be supplied on the site as is said on eBay has 12 months have on will go and get off eBay and post it here

ACME Heavy Duty 12000Lbs 12V DC Electric Winch

Product Information:

Power 12VDC

Single Rated Line Pull 12000Lbs (5440Kgs)

Motor 5.5HP/4.0Kw, Series Wound

Control Remote Switch, 12Ft (3.7M) Lead

Gear Train 3 Stage Planetary

Gear Ratio 265:1

Clutch Sliding Ring Gear

Braking Action Automatic In-Drum

Cable (L x D) 94Ft x 3/8" (28m of 9.4mm)

Fairlead 4 Way Roller Fairlead

Battery Leads 2 Heavey Duty, 72" (1.83m)

Weight 88 Lbs 40Kg

G.W 95 Lbs 43Kg

Overall Dimensions
(L x W x H) 21.3" x 6.3" x 8.6" (562 x 160 x 218mm)


Brand new in box.
Comes with everything you need to get it up & running.
Great performance, big 5.5HP motor.
Perfectly fits bull bars designed to suit Warn/OX or any other big brand low mount winches.
12 Months return-to-base warranty.

FAQs:
Q: Where are the ACME winches made?
A: They are made in China.
Q: Are there any spare parts available?
A: Sure! The available spare parts are:
Motor
Switch Assembly
Brake
Roller Fairlead
Control Box
Bearing
Cable
Hook
Coupling Joint etc.
Q: Can pick up be arranged for ACME winches?
A: Absolutely! And it's very welcome.
Q: Can ACME winches do under load reverse winching too?
A: Yes they can, you can winching yourself down a steep hill instead of driving down.


More detailed specifactions can be found at http://www.acmewinch.com.au

would still like to know if anyone used one or something of the same price
Can’t say looks the same most winches look the same but as said it’s the inside workings that are the problem?
Cheers Brendon

spend the extra $300 and get a magnum/Tabor 9000 instead.

Deep down you know these acme jobbies are gonna be shit.

amongst the spares available for it there is no gearing or shaft listed?

Ive seen Warn 9000lb winches pretty much broken in two due to misuse and they are a quailty brand, I dont reckon any of the cheap nasty chinese efforts would take even the tiniest amount of abuse before giving up

Cossie wrote:spend the extra $300 and get a magnum/Tabor 9000 instead.

Deep down you know these acme jobbies are gonna be shit.

amongst the spares available for it there is no gearing or shaft listed?

Ive seen Warn 9000lb winches pretty much broken in two due to misuse and they are a quailty brand, I dont reckon any of the cheap nasty chinese efforts would take even the tiniest amount of abuse before giving up

At my work we sell electrical gear (i'm talking TV's, DVD's etc), now most of the stuff that people buy is from China or Korea. It's a 3rd of the price of what you would call a "quality" brand, has 3 times the warranty, more features and usually has the same or less returns. Now not all types of products will work the same way, but how will we know if no one actually tries one. These sell all the time on eBay, so people out there must have them, so why not admit you have one and let us others know how it went?

I have an old Ramsey 8000 on my Maverick. Its pretty stuffed - the free spool clutch isnt real good so you normally have to spool it out with the controller and it isnt very fast. But I abuse the damn thing time and time again and never let in cool down during winching and it still wont fail!

I honestly dont think even a new chinese jobby would stand for any of that abuse.

Maybe Chinese electronics are ok, but we are not talking electronics, we are talking electrics and mechanical components that need to withstand a lot of force.

Also if your DVD player packs in its annoying because you cant watch a film. If your winch packs in it could be a lot more serious.

so does everone relie on there winch for everything.

i have been 4wd for about 2 years now not long i know and never used a winch until i just brought a chinese one. yes if it stuffs up i am not relying on it it is there for a convenice more than anything so i dont need to dig for 2 hours.

all in all i brought it for convince nothing more nothing less i have a high lift jack shovel and hand winch if needed.

like i said and will keep saying conveince i dont run a comp rig.

(Flame suit on)

dwaynes wrote:all in all i brought it for convince nothing more nothing less i have a high lift jack shovel and hand winch if needed.

like i said and will keep saying conveince i dont run a comp rig.

(Flame suit on)

I don't think you need the flame suit; I am pretty sure everyone here wants to hear what kind of job these low-budget winches can do.

If I heard enough good reports about them I'd buy one; I'm just skeptical because in my experience Chinese steel is soft and/or brittle and tends to break and/or bend. Eg, I have Australian-made screwdrivers and spanners that have lasted for more than a decade and Chinese, Taiwanese, and Indian ones that have snapped or bent on the first use.

The other issue that makes me hesitant about Chinese-made stuff is that their power ratings are never accurate, a "1200W motor" in a Chinese power tool is nothing like as grunty as a 1200W motor in an old-school Australian or Japanese-made power tool. So when they say "12,000lb winch" and "5.5hp motor" I don't fully believe it.

Seriously, let us know. If you are willing to pull the cover off and take some photos of the guts of it, even better! Like I said, I personally would buy a winch made anywhere if I saw enough evidence it was tough enough.

With these Acme ones, especially, the other thing I want to find out is why there are obvious discrepancies on their specs page of their website - things that are clearly wrong.

Jason

chimpboy wrote: Seriously, let us know. If you are willing to pull the cover off and take some photos of the guts of it, even better! Like I said, I personally would buy a winch made anywhere if I saw enough evidence it was tough enough.

With these Acme ones, especially, the other thing I want to find out is why there are obvious discrepancies on their specs page of their website - things that are clearly wrong.

Jason

Jason it hopefully will get tested this weekend and i would be intested in pulling the cover off but i have no idea where to start ( well i could pull it apart may not go back togetther though ) if you or someone was willing to come over and show me how it is done let me know as i will be willing.

because if it isn't a 5.5hp motor i want dollars back.

I'll second that /\

I'd love to know how it performs, so get out there, get bogged to the eyeballs and give it some stick! Do you have a mate with a Warn or similar so you can compare its performance to a more known brand?

It'd be great if they do turn out to be good in the real world, and not just on paper

dwaynes wrote:

chimpboy wrote: Seriously, let us know. If you are willing to pull the cover off and take some photos of the guts of it, even better! Like I said, I personally would buy a winch made anywhere if I saw enough evidence it was tough enough.

With these Acme ones, especially, the other thing I want to find out is why there are obvious discrepancies on their specs page of their website - things that are clearly wrong.

Jason

Jason it hopefully will get tested this weekend and i would be intested in pulling the cover off but i have no idea where to start ( well i could pull it apart may not go back togetther though ) if you or someone was willing to come over and show me how it is done let me know as i will be willing.

because if it isn't a 5.5hp motor i want dollars back.

I strip and rebuild plenty of winches, but to be honest there is no way of seeing if it is a 5.5hp motor, or even if the internals are any good as they all look the same until they break! I'd leave it alone in case something does go wrong and it needs to be repaired under warranty - they may refuse if its been tampered with.

[quote="Cossie"]spend the extra $300 and get a magnum/Tabor 9000 instead.

So how much do these budget warns sell for ?

Loanrangie wrote:

Cossie wrote:spend the extra $300 and get a magnum/Tabor 9000 instead.

So how much do these budget warns sell for ?

retail: $1395.....
to you: $1095

A huge amount of engineering and machining equipment,ie Lathes and Mills etc are chinese and big business is making a profit from it.
Some of the cheaper Tractors and AG gear are chinese and farmers are making a living with it.
All of these arguments were put forward in the 40s,50s,60s and 70s about Japanese tools,toys,motorbikes and cars and while there have been some duds there is no doubt who are the market leaders in these fields.
Remember alot of "Made in America" stuff is made in 3rd world Mexico.
J Top

Cossie wrote:

Loanrangie wrote:

Cossie wrote:spend the extra $300 and get a magnum/Tabor 9000 instead.

So how much do these budget warns sell for ?

retail: $1395.....
to you: $1095

do you work somewhere that sells them or something ???

J Top wrote:Remember alot of "Made in America" stuff is made in 3rd world Mexico.
J Top

Like Jeeps ??

There's a new Warn 9000 on eBay at the moment for $900. Buy that!

I bought one of Ebay but haven't installed it yet. Probably won't do for a couple of months yet. As far as I can tell it is the same as T-Max, Ox, Reel Ezy, Brawn (withou the waterproofing) etc.

I looked at the Tabor, but was scared off by their stats for it. Can't seemed to find it on their website ATM, but the current draw didn't read good.

hi all just to let you know ive been in email conntact again with the acme winch person the fast emal responce from him is unreal he even said sorry for not email me back sooner mind you i emailed him at 10pm last night and his email was marked 10am today lol the guy is just to good to not buy one of his winches i wonder if the after sales service is as great as it is now
Cheers
Brendon