Outer Limits 4x4 Board

trying to squeeze 37's in on my lux with absolutely no lift at all apart from a 2" body lift

was thinking of taking off the gaurds completely and doin a bit of tube work ala sam keck style, and moving the diff forward about 4inches, to clear the gaurds

do you think the tyres will then hit on the headlights??? my guess is they will, so is there a minimum distance they have to be apart if i were to move them inward???

i believe it would also hit the inner gaurd do you think you could you just replace the whole thing with a custom one and get it right up out of the way, as i will need to modify it anyway to allow the shocks to go thru the gaurd & maybe even the bonnet

just tryin to work this out before i go too far, or do i just incorporate a few inches of lift into it, and save the hassle, even tho it would sacrifice a bit of stability

any help would be greatly appreciated

This is my 4runner with 37's (MTR's). The firewall has been tubed back to the body mount, 2" BL and about 2.5" springs (Rancho 44044's). The spring perches have been drilled to move the diff forwrd.

I am planning to cut the BL to 1" or remove it. Depends on clearences with the motor.

I think you may need to trim the panel under the head lights, but I think it should be ok.


Chris.

you may have to reduce your up travel and get some width,you will scrub your leaf packs and also the power steer box

Your No longer Registering this Right?

do you think the tyres will then hit on the headlights??? my guess is they will, so is there a minimum distance they have to be apart if i were to move them inward???

with all the other stuff your doin id say headlight legalities would be the least of your worries..
if u need to go a bit higher for clearance just ad some width at the same time... either spacers or get your rims flipped, only about 50 bucks a rim at wheel shops, should be able to get u a few more inches...
anyways u will need more width in the rear to keep the tires from scrubbin out on the chassis on compression.

keep in mind that he's running 60 diifs so width isn't all that important. i reckon 2" body lift and dropped hangers will be enough.

joel

STUMPY wrote:keep in mind that he's running 60 diifs so width isn't all that important. i reckon 2" body lift and dropped hangers will be enough.

joel

ahh i missed the 60 series diffs bit... none the less,a bit more width cant hurt in to many cases.

Slayer wrote:

STUMPY wrote:keep in mind that he's running 60 diifs so width isn't all that important. i reckon 2" body lift and dropped hangers will be enough.

joel

ahh i missed the 60 series diffs bit... none the less,a bit more width cant hurt in to many cases.

isn't he runnin 80's, but whats wrong with 4 link and coil being non registerable.

I'm running 39.5's on my hilux with the diff forward 5" I had to cut the guards a little to fit them in. it doesn't touch the head light and i'm not running a huge lift eather.

so yes it can be done

Chad

customhilux wrote:

Slayer wrote:

STUMPY wrote:keep in mind that he's running 60 diifs so width isn't all that important. i reckon 2" body lift and dropped hangers will be enough.

joel

ahh i missed the 60 series diffs bit... none the less,a bit more width cant hurt in to many cases.

isn't he runnin 80's, but whats wrong with 4 link and coil being non registerable.

I think the problems with rego are going to start when he wants to Chop all the inner guards out,move the headlights and put the shocks through the bonnet.

RUFF wrote:

customhilux wrote:

Slayer wrote:

STUMPY wrote:keep in mind that he's running 60 diifs so width isn't all that important. i reckon 2" body lift and dropped hangers will be enough.

joel

ahh i missed the 60 series diffs bit... none the less,a bit more width cant hurt in to many cases.

isn't he runnin 80's, but whats wrong with 4 link and coil being non registerable.

I think the problems with rego are going to start when he wants to Chop all the inner guards out,move the headlights and put the shocks through the bonnet.

exatly what i was thinkin.. mainly hacking the inner gaurds out wont go down to well..

Slayer wrote:

RUFF wrote:

customhilux wrote:

Slayer wrote:

STUMPY wrote:keep in mind that he's running 60 diifs so width isn't all that important. i reckon 2" body lift and dropped hangers will be enough.

joel

ahh i missed the 60 series diffs bit... none the less,a bit more width cant hurt in to many cases.

isn't he runnin 80's, but whats wrong with 4 link and coil being non registerable.

I think the problems with rego are going to start when he wants to Chop all the inner guards out,move the headlights and put the shocks through the bonnet.

exatly what i was thinkin.. mainly hacking the inner gaurds out wont go down to well..

I've been wondering about this for ages. If you could cut out the inner guard and replace with tube section how much more room would there be to play with!
I'd build a tube frame utilising the front body mounts and use a piece of vertical angle bolted to firewall where the old inner guard was attatched.
Then build a separate shock hoop frame that just kissed the underneath of bonnet and was cross braced over top of engine.
But then I think I've only ever seen it on race cars, it mustn't be legal on road. Be nice to know for sure but.

slosh wrote:

Slayer wrote:

RUFF wrote:

customhilux wrote:

Slayer wrote: ahh i missed the 60 series diffs bit... none the less,a bit more width cant hurt in to many cases.

isn't he runnin 80's, but whats wrong with 4 link and coil being non registerable.

I think the problems with rego are going to start when he wants to Chop all the inner guards out,move the headlights and put the shocks through the bonnet.

exatly what i was thinkin.. mainly hacking the inner gaurds out wont go down to well..

I've been wondering about this for ages. If you could cut out the inner guard and replace with tube section how much more room would there be to play with!
I'd build a tube frame utilising the front body mounts and use a piece of vertical angle bolted to firewall where the old inner guard was attatched.
Then build a separate shock hoop frame that just kissed the underneath of bonnet and was cross braced over top of engine.
But then I think I've only ever seen it on race cars, it mustn't be legal on road. Be nice to know for sure but.

it could be done and engineered and made legal for street use.. look at dragos gemini, thats all tube frame front end and has been engineered for the street..

would be a fair bit of work (and money, unless your handly and can do it yourself), and alot of engineer inspections and costs involved.. but do able



theres also that guys 27L v12 chevy thats al legal..

i think its a matter of how fat your wallet is or how tall your money tree is

I got excited about the prospect an ran it by an engineer.... being part of the body "structure", removing it and replacing with tube frame is a no no, but alterations to the inner guard with suitable re-inforcements is engineerable.
Seems silly when we are talking about a chassised vehicle, but that's the "modification" game (not ICV).
Don't know how the above cars got passed, must have found an engineer who knows what to write on the certificate.

i havnt had a chance to chat to my engineer yet about this, but he's given me the go ahead with everything else so i'll see how it goes

it will still be rego'd, very rarely driven on the road, but definately rego'd

the only bit that was really concerning me was replacing the inner gaurd but you raise a very good point about drago's car, and a lot of other show cars for that matter and there not even a chassis'd vehicle, but yet there still fully rego'd

there's absolutely no chance of it hitting the leafs up front, mainly cause there are none

but thats exactly what im thinkin josh, have a hoop which just kisses the bonnet (hopefully not thru, but i think it will) and a crossmember to go right over the motor

it cant be too hard, i'll be doin most of it myself, but i've got a 4wd shop backin me now in case i f#*k up and money's no real problem any more so i reckon i'll be able to work my way thru it

i was just seein what you guys thought of the whole idea

NISMOgemini wrote: it could be done and engineered and made legal for street use

I rang a engineer years ago about passing trimmed guards and he said as long as there is no sharp edges its fine
and who`s that engineer that passed that gemini?