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Hey Everyone, I'm sure this question has probably been asked a thousand times in the past but without searching thru the huge log of posts it's easier to ask once again,

Im looking at purchasing an 80 series in the very near future, is there a big fuel economy difference between petrol / diesel / turbo diesel with a 4 or so inch lift an 35's?

Who reccomends what? Petrol / Diesel / Pre / Post 1995?

Any comments are greatly appreciated on all aspects of an 80 that I should be know of before purchasing...

Cheers,



Ryan

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Cheers Mate

Ide go for a post 95 Turbo diesel with the 1HDFT

4.5L Petrol = friggin hungry!!!!! not alot of low end torque (obviously not like a diesel anyway)

4.2L Diesel = Top motor, though no performer (i.e Slug), the most we get out of the fraser island cruiser (92 pov pack) is 120km/h (it takes for ever to get there from 100km/h) thats with the tinny on the back and the car loaded with gear with extractors and 2.5" exhaust.

4.2L TDi (pre 95, 1HDT) = personally would never touch again after the amount of sh!t mum's has put us through.

4.2L TDi (Post 95, 1HDFT) = i personlly think u couldnt go wrong, friends had a 97 40th Anniversary with this motor bolted to the 4sp Auto, once made a few adjustments to the fuel pump and had it Dyno tuned, pulled like a stock horse and hauled arse!!!!!!!!!!! and no worries having to change gears in the sand (gotta love the Auto ).

At the end of the day u gotta ask yourself what are you going to use the car for, and what do you want the car to do for you!

(JUST MY OPPIONION, DONT TAKE IT AS GOSPEL!!!)

Troy (vSAHARAx)

woops, see below

No apology needed, there is a wealth of information already discussed on this forum and I know there's a lot of 80 info as I just bought one myself and did all the searching a few weeks ago.

I bought a 94 GXL factory turbo diesel. That's the 1HDT, would have liked to get a 1hdft multi valve but couldn't find the additional $5k - $10k + . Reports of 1hdt getting 12 litres per 100 km's pretty much match mine on the highway and seems to have plenty of power. Time will tell.

Good luck,

Ben

vSAHARAx wrote: 4.2L TDi (pre 95, 1HDT) = personally would never touch again after...

the 1HD-T is an excellent motor and your experience with it is limited and certainly not typical. There are problems with early examples shedding big end bearings (the repair cost is astronomical) but with aftermarket bearings and regular oil changes these motors are very strong and will last a long time (500kkm+). They can also be found 5 - 10k cheaper than similar km 1HD-FT examples.

all that said you should consider a factory 4.2 1HZ motor with aftermarket turbo - more driveable and more powerful than the factroy turbos, at the expense of a slight loss of economy.

in stock as a rock form, fuel economy in the petrol 4.5 efi around 18 - 20 litres/100km, around 10 - 12 in any of the diesels, all very much dependant on how you drive. big lift and big tyres kills economy. My 1996 multivalve turbo diesel uses about 12litres/100km and has 5" lift, 35" tyres and I drive it fairly hard most of the time.

Thanks Fella's!!

Sounds like everyone thinks the diesel is the only choice then, the petrol power and response would be good, but nothing beats the economy of a diesel std, std turbo or aftermarket turbo, especially once i bolt on the 35's and a lift, plus all the weight of steel bull bars, rear bars, drawers, roof racks etc etc...

Unless the boss gives me a fuel card for work... then bring on the guzzling petrol!

Now all I gotta do is find a good example in perth, hopefully with some mods done already!

Ryan

All The Best Champ, Happy Hunting

The 1HDT is a good motor if looked after, we bought our 10/91 GXL at 160 000kms so who knows if the owners b4 hand looked after it. But for us every 5000km's shes in for a service, though we spend most of the time playing wheely-bins waiting for a tow truck to take the p.o.s to the mechanic. we are there that often that the mechanic doesnt put our name down when we book it in to get fixed, he books it under "The Car From Hell". we're now at the stage where we dont trust it on long trips, So the end of the year mum and dad are trading it for a 100!

The beastiest of them all are the 60's. Long live the 60's

vSAHARAx wrote: we spend most of the time playing wheely-bins waiting for a tow truck to take the p.o.s to the mechanic. we are there that often...

time for a new mechanic, eh?

I've got a 93 petrol and although it does drink a bit of juice around town it is quite good on country roads. Mine is an everyday driver so I got the petrol auto for ease of driving and being able to keep up with traffic.

I'm happy with my choice.

Good to hear from someone who is happy with thier petrol!

Looking at a couple hear in perth at the moment but untill I sell my ute i can ONLY look which sucks!

There are a couple of good ones advertised with plenty of mods, lifted and locked, but they are both petrols...

So I could end up with a 4.5 yet!

Its only money, and you only live once...!!!

"vSAHARAx wrote:
we spend most of the time playing wheely-bins waiting for a tow truck to take the p.o.s to the mechanic. we are there that often... "

If you take it to the mechanic that often I would have sold it yonks ago, I can never trust a car once its broken down a few times, always feel like its gonna break down again at the worst possible time...

I recently sold my 93 Petrol RV 80 Series cruiser and I couldn't fault that big 4.5 litre petrol 6. If anyone wants to whinge <flame suit on> about it being thirsty then try maintaining good fuel economy with a V8 and see how far you get. <\flame suit off>

With sensible driving practices good fuel figures can be returned with the 4.5, the best tank of fuel I ever managed to get was 1050km, with an 85 litre main fuel tank and 55 litre sub tank that works out to be about 13 litres per 100km which I think is quite good for a 2.5 tonne constant 4wd vehicle with similar aerodynamic characteristic of your common household brick. That tank was of fuel was all highway driving however, around town I always managed to get at least 800km.
It was my first landcruiser it is certainly not my last, it taught me how to drive a manual and was very forgiving.

dumbdunce wrote:

vSAHARAx wrote: we spend most of the time playing wheely-bins waiting for a tow truck to take the p.o.s to the mechanic. we are there that often...

time for a new mechanic, eh?

sounds like it :S

I've got a 93 deisel, and i still think its not great on fuel, let alone if it were turbo'd.. Tho turbo'ing the engine is on my to-do list, when i bought the car, i had a budget, and i thought to myself, it would be nice to be turbo'd but there are so many other things i should do to it first, becuase remember, the turbo is an enhancement, which doesnt realy allow you to do anything that a non-turbo cant do, but slower.. Instead i spent the mony on a bullbar, winch, sliders, new tires and rims, snorkel, lift and driving lights.. Money well spent.. Sometimes it can be a slug, espessially if your towing, but its not that bad .. i dragged a torago once and won!

VinVin wrote:I've got a 93 deisel, and i still think its not great on fuel, let alone if it were turbo'd..

what fuel usage do you get? have you ever worked it out?

a turbo increases the efficiency of an engine, its just that normally people abuse the extra power which ends up using mopre fuel. If you drive a turbo diesel with controlled acceleration they should use less fuel than if it were turbo'd

a 93 will have a 1hz which should get about 12-13L/100Km

Found:

Lancruiser 80 series GXL 1993, 4.5L, 5sp, bullbar, Hella 4000's, reece hitch, elec brakes, a/con, twin ARB air lockers, ARB air compressor, dual batteries, cargo barrier, rola racks, rear wheel carrier, 270lt tank, BFG all terrains, lifted suspension (2 inch if im lucky) sheepys, 3200 uhf and aerial, uni filter, snorkel, bonnet and headlight protectors, alarm, c/lock, dark tint, long rego, FSH.... and the list goes on...

Needs about 4-5 inches of lift and some muddies and shell be just about right for me!

So I'll buy some shares in a servo too!!!

[WANAPLAY] wrote:Found:

Lancruiser 80 series GXL 1993, 4.5L, 5sp, bullbar, Hella 4000's, reece hitch, elec brakes, a/con, twin ARB air lockers, ARB air compressor, dual batteries, cargo barrier, rola racks, rear wheel carrier, 270lt tank, BFG all terrains, lifted suspension (2 inch if im lucky) sheepys, 3200 uhf and aerial, uni filter, snorkel, bonnet and headlight protectors, alarm, c/lock, dark tint, long rego, FSH.... and the list goes on...

Needs about 4-5 inches of lift and some muddies and shell be just about right for me!

So I'll buy some shares in a servo too!!!

km? price?

Woolworths have just started a new deal with visa so if you buy fuel at woolworths/caltex with a wollworths fuel voucher and pay with ANY visa card you get 8 cents/litre off - saves $10 per fill in the 80 - better than a kick in the teeth!

Sorry Dunce,

210000 and 23 k, prolly a bit pricey but its a nice rig...

My 80 GXL has the 1HDT (Nov 91') bought it with 150,000K's now has over 270,000, was not regularly serviced but had major service's recorded, since I have owned it & have it serviced every 10,000 I have never had one ounce of trouble with this entire car. for the first 5 years it was totally stock while I paid it off, now its getting the attention it deserves.
will never sell this Cruiser..........

mate maybe u better look over east....

sounds like 80 s are too pricey overwest hey.

i am in the same boat as WANNA was searching for an 80 and the cheapest you can get them over here is $8750 and that is with 480k on the clock. I was looking at an 80 series extra cab out of brisbane but the way the D.P.I. is over here it would have cost near on 5k just to get it repaired for registration. What is the going price of an 80S in the east??

cheers camo

My manual diesel 80 (1HZ) GXL is for sale...
In great condition, already has 33" BFG Muds, adjustable suspension, etc.

I nearly bagged a 91 turbo diesel GXL 80 coupla days ago. 270 000km, dual batteries, 12 months rego for under $11 000!!!

Post number 1. G'day all - I am a bit a petrol fan now after many years of being a diesel die hard.

My last 80 series was a '93 version which i gave to the old man and he is now towing a van around oz with it. Without a doubt the best car/4by I've ever owned and if the old boy gets sick of it i'll probably take it back. Currently got a sr5 3.4 auto lux - lifted and locked for touring and stuff - not a hard core beast, but great for towing boats up the beach at Fraser.
The 4.5 petrol has seen out issues with crap diesel sellers, dead fuel pumps from low sulfur fuel, replaced turbos, 5000k services,not to mention how many diesels it has pulled out of the sand......Yes it drinks a bit more, but as 4wd monthly recently worked out you've gotta do more than 400 000 kms in a diesel tojo before it breaks even with owning a petrol. Final point is that you can buy a brand new 4500 motor from toyota cheaper than a rebuild on a diesel (about $7k). Still love the diesels too, just can't make the numbers stack up.

jimandthecat wrote:I nearly bagged a 91 turbo diesel GXL 80 coupla days ago. 270 000km, dual batteries, 12 months rego for under $11 000!!!

You want a 91 turbo diesel GXL 80 with 340,000km in excellent condition for $16500??

Try this place for cruisers for sale
http://www.lcool.org/sale/forsale.html
a couple of them don't look too bad.......