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G'day guys- I'm looking at buying a mid to late 90s 2.8 live front axle hilux trayback (between 8 and 12 grand). Are there differences in any of the 2.8s? i.e are the later models different and when did they change? Also, i would really prefer an extra cab but are they generally more expensive? and do extra cabs even exist in a style side model with a live front axle? they all seem to be well body IFS SR5's.

cheers

oops-sorry, i should have read the bible sticky first- so no extra cabs come in live front axle version- Damn it!what is a LN106 hilux? i seem to be reading a lot about them

oops-sorry, i should have read the bible sticky first- so no extra cabs come in live front axle version- Damn it!what is a LN106 hilux? i seem to be reading a lot about them

u could buy a extra cab then get it sas'd

ln106's are/were the 89-96 model of the 2.8 d hilux

im not sure if the ln106 covers just the solid axle single cab or duals and ifs models aswel

Good question, I don't know much about Hilux's either and always hear about Ln106 and other variants of that. Please explain.

spazbot wrote:u could buy a extra cab then get it sas'd

ln106's are/were the 89-96 model of the 2.8 d hilux

im not sure if the ln106 covers just the solid axle single cab or duals and ifs models aswel

I have a LN106 and its a dual cab,if thats any help.Other than that im still learning whats what

ln106 were made to 11/97. i have a 5/97 ln106 dual cab

that answers the ln106 question i guess. does anyone know if there are slight differences in any of the 2.8s? what sort of fuel economy can i expect from a 2.8?

i got a LN106 (dual cab 2.8D 1993 model) its pretty thirsty considering, but its a pretty heavy car and a small-ish motor pushing it.

they are no real differences in the motors, with the exception of some of the newer ones (maybe 95 onwards) having a high altitude conmpensator. (i think, don't quote me on that)

De-Lux wrote:
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i got a LN106 (dual cab 2.8D 1993 model) its pretty thirsty considering, but its a pretty heavy car and a small-ish motor pushing it.

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they are no real differences in the motors, with the exception of some of the newer ones (maybe 95 onwards) having a high altitude conmpensator. (i think, don't quote me on that)

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Mine gets about 650-700km to a standard tank 91' model, Whitenights gets 500km if he is lucky 96'. We spoke to a deisel place that said that the earlier one just got better economy for some reason, couldn't explain it.

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Too bad quoting you None of th LN106 models have an altitude compensator

So apart from fuel economy and amount of rust the LN106 is pretty much all the same no matter what year.
Mine is pretty standard if you want to have a look. Whitenight has inverted rear shocks and a few other things and Phippsy has it turboed.
They are the ones i know, just helps to get others opinions especially when they have done the mods that you will no doubt want aswell

im not saying anyone else is wrong but just offering my experience. When mine, a 1990 model had the 2.8 in it i found it pretty thirsty considering how farking slow it used to go. about 400-450k's from 55 Litres....If you buy a 2.8 just be mindfull that around town their fine but get them on the highway going up and down hills they are nothing short of frustrating...particularly with bigger tyres, even just 31's.

I will say this, carefully consider what you plan to use the car for before you buy. If i had my time again i would have bought a coiled wagon with a decent sized motor from the start...that way you spend money on the trick accessories not just on getting the thing to do the speed limit.

As i said just my experience, not trying to say anyone elses oppinion is wrong or anything. But best of luck buying your truck.

from full to when the needle hits the empty mark i get around 500ks. but you will find that there is still about 20ltrs of fuel left when the needle hit empty so you should get around 650-700 kms.

kransky wrote:from full to when the needle hits the empty mark i get around 500ks. but you will find that there is still about 20ltrs of fuel left when the needle hit empty so you should get around 650-700 kms.

I'll agree with that and mine is about 5% out with the larger tyres(285/75/16's whatever that equals). But also mine is a work car so I keep reminding myself that although it is slow, it is a tax deduction whereas anything that isn't a 'commercial' vehicle wouldn't be for me.

phippsy wrote:

kransky wrote:from full to when the needle hits the empty mark i get around 500ks. but you will find that there is still about 20ltrs of fuel left when the needle hit empty so you should get around 650-700 kms.

I'll agree with that and mine is about 5% out with the larger tyres(285/75/16's whatever that equals). But also mine is a work car so I keep reminding myself that although it is slow, it is a tax deduction whereas anything that isn't a 'commercial' vehicle wouldn't be for me.

yeah mine's a tax deduction too, but i work in IT... don't tell the tax man

Yeah, I dont find LN106 too bad on fuel.

I get about 450 - 500 driving around town from about 50 ltrs. Only had it a couple of months so havent had the chance to take it on a big highway run, although thinking about that its nt really what I bought it for, hehe.

Anyways coming from a commo with mildly worked 3.8ltr v6 to the lux with a 2.8d there is a big difference in performance but you have decided to purchase a 4by and not a race car.

I just live with it for now, but as i said i have only had it a couple of months so the novelty could wear off soon.

Cheers


Zam

94 LN106 Duallcab 2.8 diesel snorkel & extractors 2.5" exhaust solid front axle 12.4 lt/100k av. Steel bar, 31 BFG/ATR's 130lt LRA tank(gives 1000k range easily loaded with usual camping gear) 2" lift . Gets me there & back everytime allbeit slowly, but never in a hurry anyway. If you want a racing car buy one

I'm a bit surprised at some of the not so economic figures quoted- buying such a gutless 4by i would expect at least 10L/100km to make it worth while. With these varied testimonies it is tempting to look at the old HJ61 turbos as an alternative: comparative fuel consumption (according to some) but shitloads more power-I HATE INDECISION!!!!!!
Has anyone got some 'no-bullshit' figures on 12HT engine fuel consumption?

fuel figures are always different, it comes down to so many variables, driver, vehicle age, weight, majority of driving (HW or round town), modifications etc....all of these things affect the car. I would say if your desperate for a ute buy an older cruiser ute....or if your happy with a wagon your options are greater. The cruiser (1hz) is a great motor...with great turbo potential...but they go reasonably well in standard form....much better than a hilux....
I will say this....if your buying a hilux because your after economy you should ask youself if you really want a forby....If your really concerned about fuel economy a forby may not be for you....when quoting fuel figures we have to be fair and tell the whole story. When mine had the 2.8 in it, got 420k's on highway and 400 in city, it cruised fine on the flat but was gutless on any sized hill. However these fuel figures are more indicative of the flogging most luxes get when climbing hills.
If you buy a lux knowing and expecting it to be sluggish on the highway you wont be disappointed, you will have a great, reliable truck, that if treated right will do 400,000k's before you need to rebuilt it. However just be aware that hiluxes are slow and when you push them hard to keep up with mates in cruisers and patrols it will use fuel...as would any car.

How do these engines respond to turbos, I know you have to be causious when fitting turbos to late model 1HZ's.

to be honest i can't speak from personal experience but i know a number of people who have done this....even recently to later model 1HZ's in 80 series cruisers with great success. Slow Hilux off this board has done this with an oil/water cooled DTS unit with a 3" mandrel bent exhaust and the thing is nothing short of awsome. It is however important that the kit is properly fitted and the other modifications required such as boost compensator, fuel pump etc are done also.

at any rate hiluxes are much more economic than cruisers- my mate has a 1hz ute, which kicks arse off-road by the way, but he simply couldn't afford to bring it up to where i live (450kms) the other weekend as it would have cost at least $200 in fuel just to get here and back, plus whatever offroading we did (we're paying $1.40 for diesel over here). no good having a decent 4by if the only place you can take it is your back yard. If i was rich i'd be buying a cruiser, but alas, i am not, so it's the lux for me. i'm mainly planning on using it for some mild exploring, (which i'm sure will get out of hand)- i am lucky in that i get most of my full-on 4wding kicks from my job-(who needs roads when you have a gps, a map, and a 78 series company ute). If in the future i decide the 2.8 is too slow, i might consider turboing it....... What effect does turboing have on economy? Also, what does an SAS cost? Hey 'luv to 4b", wanna sell your ute? ha ha

rowan,
what you say is right, cruisers are heavier on juice....their a heavier car. dont get me wrong, hiluxes are great trucks...hell i own one. If you find it is too slow turboing is an option...but do consider the conversion i did....only cost me 3k including the whole wrecked 2000 model lux...but me, dad and a couple of mates did all the work.
A couple of people off this board do SAS's, might be worth talking to 'surfection' (impact offraod) off this board and getting a price.