Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Hello,

Okay, lets jump directly to topic: I have "always" been having the impression that Nissan Patrol axles are rigid stuff. Im not familiar with Patrols at all, but Ive laways wanted to own one. But lets dig *deep* into this, how about those who know post up specifications of the axles on every kind bodystyle Patrol - I know theres atleast five of them, from 1960s to now ? Id like to set it up something like this, with the following specs on each Patrol "bodychange/style"..

Front Axle:

Gearing(s):
Joints:
Ring Gear Size:
Ring Gear Teeth Count:
Pinion Size:
Pinion Teeth Count:
Widht (WMS - WMS):
Driver/Passenger Differential:
King Pin/Ball Joints:
High/Low Pinion:
Shaft Splines:
Shaft Diameter:
Shaft Lenght:
Axle Tube Diameter:
Axle Tube Thickness:
Swapout Thirds or Soild Diffs:
Knuckles:
Brakes:
Clearance:
Yoke:
Hubs:
Bolt Pattern:
Lockers:
Steering:
Material(s):
Manufacturing Methods:
Suspension Tabs:
Aftermarket Support:

Rear Axle:

Gearing(s):
Ring Gear Size:
Ring Gear Teeth Count:
Pinion Size:
Pinion Teeth Count:
Widht (WMS - WMS):
Driver/Passenger Differential:
High/Low Pinion:
Shaft Splines:
Shaft Diameter:
Shaft Lenght:
Axle Tube Diameter:
Axle Tube Thickness:
Swapout Thirds or Soild Diffs:
Brakes:
Clearance:
Yoke:
Hubs:
Bolt Pattern:
Lockers:
Material(s):
Manufacturing Methods:
Suspension Tabs:
Aftermarket Support:

So, please fill in the above dimensions/facts/specs if you know..


Thanks.

Oh, and what kind of strenght does the axles under a Patrol exactly like this have ?

this is for the most common axles of the lot, GQ (y60) coil sprung wagon/hardtop H233's (late 1988-early 1997)

fornt axle:

Gearing(s): 3.9, 4.11, (4.625 & 4.88 aftermarket)
Joints: Constant Velocity NTN Birfield
Ring Gear Size: 233mm
Ring Gear Teeth Count: 39 or 37
Pinion Size: big
Pinion Teeth Count: 10 or 9
Widht (WMS - WMS): 1605mm
Driver/Passenger Differential: RHD driver
King Pin/Ball Joints: roller bearing trunion cap
High/Low Pinion: high
Shaft Splines: 31
Shaft Diameter: 32mm
Shaft Lenght:
Axle Tube Diameter: 100mm
Axle Tube Thickness: ?
Swapout Thirds or Soild Diffs: swapout
Knuckles: cast steel (steering arms cast in)
Brakes: vented discs
Clearance:
Yoke:
Hubs: unitised freewheeling
Bolt Pattern: 6/140mm
Lockers: aftermarket only
Steering: crossover drag-link, tie-rod at rear
Material(s): steel
Manufacturing Methods: stamped steel housing, cast steel carrier
Suspension Tabs: radius arms & panhard rod
Aftermarket Support: good, getting better

Rear Axle:

Gearing(s): 3.9, 4.11, (4.625 & 4.88 aftermarket)
Ring Gear Size: 233mm
Ring Gear Teeth Count: 39 or 37
Pinion Size: big
Pinion Teeth Count: 10 or 9
Widht (WMS - WMS): 1600mm
Driver/Passenger Differential: centre
High/Low Pinion: low
Shaft Splines: 33
Shaft Diameter: 33.3mm
Shaft Lenght:
Axle Tube Diameter: 100mm
Axle Tube Thickness:
Swapout Thirds or Soild Diffs: swapout
Brakes: vented discs (some cheaper models had drums)
Clearance:
Yoke:
Hubs: semi-float
Bolt Pattern: 6/140mm
Lockers: factory vacuum actuated or aftermarket
Material(s): steel
Manufacturing Methods: stamped steel housing, cast steel carrier
Suspension Tabs: parrallel 5 link with panhard rod
Aftermarket Support: good, getting better

I see you are from norway, so gearing would be 4.625 on the GR (Y60) with 2.8 TD models ....

Thank you very much guys ! The specs above is for this kind of Patrol, right ?





I read somewhere that the axles on a Patrol similar as the one underneath, suppose to have a crazy 11" R&P, and 37 spline rearaxles ! Is this just a myth or something ?

Dunno much about the MQ (160) axles but i know that all the guys that build serious 4by´s here in Denmark use GR (Y60) axles or even better Y61 (98 - 05) ...

TLCOR wrote:I read somewhere that the axles on a Patrol similar as the one underneath, suppose to have a crazy 11" R&P, and 37 spline rearaxles ! Is this just a myth or something ?

The rear axle you are talking about is a H260. I was in the MQs and some GQs (Y60) and some GUs (Y61), mainly only the tray backs. Do a search on H260 for all the info you never wanted to know.

H260 diff was also found in some g60 patrols (1960's and 70's model)

Mk

TLCOR wrote:Oh, and what kind of strenght does the axles under a Patrol exactly like this have ?

Hey thats my best mates brothers car lol, its missing an egngine atm.

Hobbz wrote:Dunno much about the MQ (160) axles but i know that all the guys that build serious 4by´s here in Denmark use GR (Y60) axles or even better Y61 (98 - 05) ...

So the '98 to present axles are one of the best ? I know they are open-knuckled, atleast..

RoldIT wrote:

TLCOR wrote:I read somewhere that the axles on a Patrol similar as the one underneath, suppose to have a crazy 11" R&P, and 37 spline rearaxles ! Is this just a myth or something ?

The rear axle you are talking about is a H260. I was in the MQs and some GQs (Y60) and some GUs (Y61), mainly only the tray backs. Do a search on H260 for all the info you never wanted to know.

These numbers confuses me , do you have a picture of the Patrol with this axle, and maybe some more specs on those "H260" axles ? Are they under the Patrols that I posted picture of ?

Thanks for your comments, and keep it coming !

TLCOR wrote:

RoldIT wrote:

TLCOR wrote:I read somewhere that the axles on a Patrol similar as the one underneath, suppose to have a crazy 11" R&P, and 37 spline rearaxles ! Is this just a myth or something ?

The rear axle you are talking about is a H260. I was in the MQs and some GQs (Y60) and some GUs (Y61), mainly only the tray backs. Do a search on H260 for all the info you never wanted to know.

These numbers confuses me , do you have a picture of the Patrol with this axle, and maybe some more specs on those "H260" axles ? Are they under the Patrols that I posted picture of ?

You'll have to wait for someone more educated than me to chyme in with this info. I know the basics but detailed specs I'm not so sure on.

All I know is the are farken HUGE and I think they have a flat bottom on the diff housing, not rounded like the H233.

RoldIT wrote:All I know is the are farken HUGE and I think they have a flat bottom on the diff housing, not rounded like the H233.

Okay, and these H260-axles are bolted under these Patrols, right ?

TLCOR wrote:

RoldIT wrote:All I know is the are farken HUGE and I think they have a flat bottom on the diff housing, not rounded like the H233.

Okay, and these H260-axles are bolted under these Patrols, right ?

Only some, mostly the ute/tray back version of those (GQ/Y60). I think they were more common in the MQs (the previous picture you posted).

Okay, but Im a little confused here. Hm, this site http://www.autocentrum.pl/nissanclub/modele/patrol.html claims these Patrols are "MQs" or 160s:



And, these are "GQs" or Y60s:

Well it's wrong
They are both MQ's or 160 ...
The LWB one is an early model maybe even a datsun ....

Okay, thanks for clearing up again ! I saw this http://www.4x4offroads.com/49-inch-modi ... chevy.html buildup, and noticed they are using Dana-axles, why do they bother if the Nissanstuff is so strong ? Does it have a H260 rearaxle ?

woot!
i'm a star

The rear diffs are good, but the front's are a bit small when bigger rubber & motor's are entered into it

Big Red Toy wrote:woot!
i'm a star

The rear diffs are good, but the front's are a bit small when bigger rubber & motor's are entered into it

Hehe, so you have one of those H260-rearends ? Helding up ? Actually, I checked out a couple of Y60s today - and both had the round-ish rearaxle, not the H260 ?

TLCOR,

Leaf sprung GQ's had the H260.

In the GU it was hit and miss, I have never seen one in a 2.8 but they can be found on some 3.0TDI, 4.2TD and 4.8's.

Some time ago we tried to work out the reason and there appeared to be none, probably just a surplus of them, or a shortage of the H233 during the period, 2000 - 2002 or there abouts, haven't really looked at any of the updates to see any have them fitted.

Someone who keeps a closer eye on them may know.

The H260 is basically in the league of a Dana 80 in size, ring gear and axle diam, spline is different.

The GU front H233 has significantly larger and stronger CV's, a H233 is a pretty strong axle to start with and the GU's are pretty tuff. I haven't heard of many breaking though I am sure someone has, nothing is bullet proof if you try hard enough.

I am not aware of the any H260 in the MQ's however the utes probably had them.

The ARB locker application chart will be able to tell you specifically which diffs are in which model and it is fairly accurate with all the date on ring gear and axle diam.

BTW my GU has a H260 and no you can't have it.

Y61,
Patrol GU
Front
1998 on H233B 32.0 (1.26") 31

Rear
1998 on H233B 'small' 33.3 (1.31") 33
1998 on H260 'large' 38.4 (1.51") 37

Y60,
Patrol GQ
Front
1988-98 H233B 32.0 (1.26") 31

Rear
1988-98 H233B, rear disc brakes 33.3 (1.31") 33
1988-98 H233B, rear drum brakes 33.3 (1.31") 33
1988-98 H260, leaf sprung cab chassis & utility 38.4 (1.51") 37

160,
Pattol MQ
Front
1979-88 C200 30.4 (1.20") 29

Rear
1979-88 H233 32.0 (1.26") 31
1979-88 H260 38.4 (1.51") 37

Thank you very much ! Can we get some weights on these beasts too ?

TLCOR wrote:Thank you very much ! Can we get some weights on these beasts too ?

The h260 are about 300mm in diameter if you measure the pumpkin the h233 is about 250mm.
The reason the Dana axels are used, is the Nissan did not come with the h260 in the USA and the Dana is strong cheap and plentiful with heaps of upgrades available.

I was looking to swap in a h260 as an up grade to my dana44. But the lack of diff mounted hand break put me off.

Also what part of Norway are you from.

Eric Knutsen

I think the h260 would the best axel to swap in for most people here in OZ that is.

Thanks for input. Im from Oslo, are you from Norway, Eric ? Anyone know what these axles tip the scale at ?

TLCOR wrote:Thanks for input. Im from Oslo, are you from Norway, Eric ?
Anyone know what these axles tip the scale at ?

I was born in Lørenskog, was over there this this time last year. My father lives in Kristiansand.

i saw a set for sale they listed the wieght at 200kg to 250kg a pair.

Eric

Ha, very cool ! Are you in Australia now ?
Was those numbers regarding 160-axles - C200 and H233 or H260 ? One more thing, how do these C200s and H233B frontaxles compare to Toyota Hilux frontaxles ?

TLCOR wrote:Ha, very cool ! Are you in Australia now ?
Was those numbers regarding 160-axles - C200 and H233 or H260 ? One more thing, how do these C200s and H233B frontaxles compare to Toyota Hilux frontaxles ?

Yep sunny Queensland

not 100% sure of the type but i think h230

i would take a nissan h230 over any stock toyota slowlux or cruser axle

eric

scout392 wrote:

TLCOR wrote:Ha, very cool ! Are you in Australia now ?
Was those numbers regarding 160-axles - C200 and H233 or H260 ? One more thing, how do these C200s and H233B frontaxles compare to Toyota Hilux frontaxles ?

i would take a nissan h230 over any stock toyota slowlux or cruser axle

eric

Yeah, those stupid birfields keeps on breaking. What kind of joint do they use in the Patrol axles ? U-joints ? Birfields ? Rzeppas ? etc..

TLCOR wrote:

scout392 wrote:

TLCOR wrote:Ha, very cool ! Are you in Australia now ?
Was those numbers regarding 160-axles - C200 and H233 or H260 ? One more thing, how do these C200s and H233B frontaxles compare to Toyota Hilux frontaxles ?

i would take a nissan h230 over any stock toyota slowlux or cruser axle

eric

Yeah, those stupid birfields keeps on breaking. What kind of joint do they use in the Patrol axles ? U-joints ? Birfields ? Rzeppas ? etc..

I don’t know.
I run open knuckle dana44 (stock) and i prefer them cuz they are strong and give my a very small turning circle esp compared to landcruser and patrol

Eric