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Posted: **Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:17 pm**

Just got the new catologue, has a 9,500lb Winch, 5.5hp/4kw series wound motor
265:1 Gear ration
3 stage planetry gear train

Sliding ring gear clutch

3yr Warranty*

*Conditions apply

(Condition is probly it isn't to be used offroad

)

opinions, just curious, would it be any good? like on a scale of 1-10, a top of the line warne one would be 10, or 9 atleast, and this cheapo would be????

Posted: **Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:34 pm**

dunno but i am going in there on satday and reading threw the manuel and see what thease conditions are on the warrenty..

if the warrenty is true well meh i gonna get one and see how it goes.

Posted: **Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:13 pm**

I have also been wondering about these, which got my interest because they claim 450:1 gearing...

But all the other cheapies have 265:1 gearing, and I am wondering if the 450:1 is achieved just by having a geared motor and the same gearbox as all the other cheap ones... in which case it's nothing special.

A 3-year warranty from Repco has a certain appeal...

Jason

Posted: **Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:18 pm**

If you can't use it off road, tell me where would you use a winch otherwise?

Posted: **Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:42 pm**

bluemq wrote:If you can't use it off road, tell me where would you use a winch otherwise?

note the part where i say 'probably', accompanied by a rolling eyes smiley (

) wich was a stab at repco's un-blemished customer service reckord during previous sales similar to this one

.... sorry, i shulda made it clearer

Posted: **Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:43 pm**

chimpboy wrote:I have also been wondering about these, which got my interest because they claim 450:1 gearing...

But all the other cheapies have 265:1 gearing, and I am wondering if the 450:1 is achieved just by having a geared motor and the same gearbox as all the other cheap ones... in which case it's nothing special.

A 3-year warranty from Repco has a certain appeal...

Jason

looked at the ebay one, it seems to have a smaller motor than the repco one but nearly double the pull capacity

wats the go there??

Posted: **Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:50 pm**

RockyF70 wrote:
chimpboy wrote:I have also been wondering about these, which got my interest because they claim 450:1 gearing...

But all the other cheapies have 265:1 gearing, and I am wondering if the 450:1 is achieved just by having a geared motor and the same gearbox as all the other cheap ones... in which case it's nothing special.

A 3-year warranty from Repco has a certain appeal...

Jason
looked at the ebay one, it seems to have a smaller motor than the repco one but nearly double the pull capacity wats the go there??

It would be because it has twice the gearing... ie slow but torquey.

But I am not saying it would be good, just that I've been wondering about it.

Posted: **Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:55 pm**

was gonna ask this exact question as i saw em and i thought wow i have a 100 bucks in gift vouchers!

making it cheaper again!

cheers

Dean

Posted: **Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:55 pm**

chimpboy wrote:
Jason

looked at the ebay one, it seems to have a smaller motor than the repco one but nearly double the pull capacity

wats the go there??[/quote]

It would be because it has twice the gearing... ie slow but torquey.

But I am not saying it would be good, just that I've been wondering about it.[/quote]

Looking at it, it looks like it may have a small planetary gearset attached to the motor??? So if it has a 1.75:1 planetary gearset on the starter motor as well as the normal 256:1 than that would account for the gearing.

Posted: **Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:11 pm**

chimpboy wrote:...But all the other cheapies have 265:1 gearing, and I am wondering if the 450:1 is achieved just by having a geared motor and the same gearbox as all the other cheap ones... in which case it's nothing special.

Posted: **Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:52 pm**

45punkbus wrote:was gonna ask this exact question as i saw em and i thought wow i have a 100 bucks in gift vouchers!

making it cheaper again!

cheers

Dean

sign up to be on their mailing list and u get a 20% off voucher too

... so thats 700 - 20% = $580 - $100 voucher = $480

.. not bad aye

(i think the maths is ok

)

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:41 am**

me thinks the 20% off is off full priced items and excludes sale items like the winch

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:56 pm**

Duff wrote:me thinks the 20% off is off full priced items and excludes sale items like the winch

Correct. Its written on the back of the voucher.

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:58 pm**

One of the guys on the Patrol Yahoo group just bought one.
Should have a report in a few days.

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:05 pm**

Dont touch the cheap nasty chinese pieces of cack!

Ive had the joy

of fitting a few of them now and can tell you they are shocking compared to a decent brand (Warn/Ramsey etc)

We had to fit one of those GEW ones to a customers car and by the time he'd paid for all the additional labour, new fairlead (the one supplied doesnt fit anything!) and new cables etc he was almost to the price of a Warn, or magnum at least. The gearbox doesnt rotate so its not even possible to line the clutch handle up with the opening in the bar! Also they normally only have 2 solenoids instead of 4 and the wiring is as dodgy as all hell!

Just hang out for a 2nd hand warn or buy a hand winch if you are on a budget!

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:23 pm**

i have one although it's got a different brand on it. Same manufacturer and same importer.
They are slow, very slow. but i know they work well. first time i used it i managed to pull down 2 trees belly dragging the troopy trough a bog hole. (other people had used the same anchor point before but weren't belly dragging due to bigger tyres)

Good for a winch on a budget. Winch and fairlead bolted straight in to an ARB winch bar with no problems whatsoever.

Only thing that you should do is open up the gearbox end and clean out the grease and re-grease it.

These winches usually dont have enough grease in them and they use a real crappy grease.

Hope this helps

Matt

PS. i got mine for $600 through a mate as it was one of the original sample order.

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:36 pm**

Change the wiring to a higher grade, replace and add solinoids, and then add a o-ring to make them more water resistent. I'm thinking of taping holes into my Warn and running hoses from it into the engine bay and connecting a airhorn air pump to one of the hoses to help with cooling and to add postive pressure into it for water crossings (switch controlled in cabin) because from what i've read most winches fail because of lack of maintence or water ingress.
The repco once all done it would still be a fair bit cheaper then a Warn and you should have a good winch.

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:50 am**

I'll wait for a report.

Will

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:00 am**

AJ wrote:One of the guys on the Patrol Yahoo group just bought one.
Should have a report in a few days.

bloke in our club was spouting about his is fitted up Wednesday, same thing, hes happy...

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:11 am**

i have not long put one in my arb bar on the bravo and so for no problems to report, and i moved the solinoids to inside the engine bay. the only thing is the free spool switch is under the bar so you have to reach under to switch it, but a few people have told me it is possible to rotate the gears so it comes out the top of the bar and a couple of people have done it also so it is possible.

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:02 am**

was talking to the guys at s g leslie (sp) the other day, they reckon the repco winches are decent quality.
with the money saved over a warn you can urethane the armature, recrimp the power cables, improve the waterproofing and fit synthetic rope. most of this stuff has to be done to the warn anyway.
thats from guys that build comp winches.
david

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:21 am**

was talking to the guys at s g leslie (sp) the other day, they reckon the repco winches are decent quality.
with the money saved over a warn you can urethane the armature, recrimp the power cables, improve the waterproofing and fit synthetic rope. most of this stuff has to be done to the warn anyway.
thats from guys that build comp winches.
david

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:54 am**

Keep the reports/reviews coming!

Jason

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:11 am**

Question from an amateur... why do you need to change the wires that comes together with the winch? weight reduction?

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:39 am**

roughly how much would it cost to replace cable with plasma rope.

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:42 am**

$300-400 for 'synthetic rope'

Plasma is just a wank brand name

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:06 pm**

Seafarer wrote:Question from an amateur... why do you need to change the wires that comes together with the winch? weight reduction?

Answer from another amature, but i'd say its got to do with the wiring being crappy, not thick/strong enough to carry a decent load of electricity

i doubt u'd be worrying about the weight of a bit of wire in a 1500kg+ vehicle

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:25 pm**

i thought synthetic rope could only go on high mounts........something to do with temperature of a low mount melting the rope???

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:35 pm**

What about heat from the winch drum?
Heat is generated in planetary winch drums (Warn laydown-style, Ramsey planetary winches, most Superwinches) only under "Power-Out" condition. This type of use drives the winch motor against the brake (note references by winch companies about "Automatic Load-Holding Brake"). This is similar to driving your vehicle with the parking brake engaged.
Doing so will generate heat if you were to use it extensively in this mode. Similar to driving your vehicle with the parking brake engaged, you can drive out of a parking space without causing problems, but if you drove for significant distance, you would quickly wear out the brake. The same is true for your winch. The "Power-Out" function should be used for relieving tension on the rope, not for extended distances, nor for lowering a load--4WD winches are not designed to be used as hoists. Our testing has shown that powering out for 10-20 feet is not a problem, but will cause excessive wear to the winch brake, so we recommend using the "Power-Out" to relieve tension only.
No winches currently made, if used correctly, will heat the drum on "Power-In" use.

Posted: **Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:29 pm**

RockyF70 wrote:
Seafarer wrote:Question from an amateur... why do you need to change the wires that comes together with the winch? weight reduction?
Answer from another amature, but i'd say its got to do with the wiring being crappy, not thick/strong enough to carry a decent load of electricity i doubt u'd be worrying about the weight of a bit of wire in a 1500kg+ vehicle

cheers mate.... should have made it abit more clear on my part as I was referring to the changing of the wire rope to synthetic rope.

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