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hay i was just wondering if a REAL suzuki serria ute is the same lenght as a LWB zook? i've got a real one but all the others around here are shorties

Depends if u have a SWB or LWB ute.

They came in both ute and hardtop in both SWB & LWB afaik.



IS there like a foot of gab between front door and rear arch compared to SWB ones? Thats the easy way to tell..

derelict_frog wrote: Depends if u have a SWB or LWB ute.
They came in both ute and hardtop in both SWB & LWB afaik.

There is no SWB ute. SWB came in soft top, hard top and high top.

derelict_frog wrote: IS there like a foot of gab between front door and rear arch compared to SWB ones? Thats the easy way to tell..

Correct, that's the easy way to tell. The overhang past the rear axle is longer in the LWB too. It's pretty hard to mistake one for the other. The ute (Stockman) chassis is same dimensions as a LWB chassis. There are additions for mounting the tray and the fuel tank is different but the two chassis are basically the same.

mine was exast same wheel base

93.5"

Are you talking about a ute or table top? When it stops raining I'll duck out and throw a tape over it and let you know.

It's about 2380mm from hub to hub.

It's about 2380mm from hub to hub.

Damo wrote:

derelict_frog wrote: Depends if u have a SWB or LWB ute.
They came in both ute and hardtop in both SWB & LWB afaik.

There is no SWB ute. SWB came in soft top, hard top and high top.

derelict_frog wrote: IS there like a foot of gab between front door and rear arch compared to SWB ones? Thats the easy way to tell..

Correct, that's the easy way to tell. The overhang past the rear axle is longer in the LWB too. It's pretty hard to mistake one for the other. The ute (Stockman) chassis is same dimensions as a LWB chassis. There are additions for mounting the tray and the fuel tank is different but the two chassis are basically the same.

There is a swb drover ute across the road from me. I can see it right now.

yeah by the sounds of it is a lwb i just wasn't sure if they where using a total differant chasse becuase what I've seen the lwb zooks look longer .... oh yeah measured hub to hub its about 2.4 meters

Got some pics..

SWB CHASSIS...



.. ANS LWB, UTE ETC..



FEEL FREE TO STICK THEM IN THE BIBLE.

Thanks, I saved them for myself . Where did you get them from?

hey zookified are you sure your not looking at small talk's cut down shorty

Zookified wrote:

Damo wrote:

derelict_frog wrote: Depends if u have a SWB or LWB ute.
They came in both ute and hardtop in both SWB & LWB afaik.

There is no SWB ute. SWB came in soft top, hard top and high top.

derelict_frog wrote: IS there like a foot of gab between front door and rear arch compared to SWB ones? Thats the easy way to tell..

Correct, that's the easy way to tell. The overhang past the rear axle is longer in the LWB too. It's pretty hard to mistake one for the other. The ute (Stockman) chassis is same dimensions as a LWB chassis. There are additions for mounting the tray and the fuel tank is different but the two chassis are basically the same.

There is a swb drover ute across the road from me. I can see it right now.

no such thing as a factory supplied SWB ute. The ute and LWB share the same wheelbase and basically the same frame. The tray top has towers that the tray is attached to.

Oh yes there is.....

Michael in our club has a genuine australian delievered SWB ute.

It has the maruti style FRP cab back and hard roof and I thought that it had just been fitted from a wrecked Maruti.

It's a 1989 model, and only about 400 chassis numbers different from Greg's black car, also at my place so it is easy to pick all the differences.

The differences from a SWB soft top are surprsing:
No provision for rear seats - no captive nuts at all in the floor otehr than to mount the bulkhead.
No soft top hardware on the tub
Very elaborate rubber seals for the hard roof
a different type of B pillar, more like a late NT one - scalloped inthe top corners for the hard roof but without any plastic trim.
Much bigger drain holes in the floor
A steel bulkhead fitted behind the front seats with captive nuts in the floor and tub to accept it
The glass in the hard cab back is "suzuki" in the glass not maruti as per the indian copy.

Michaels car was in use as a trolley tug and would have been very well suited to this application. IMHO there is no doubt that it came out of the factory in this configuation as the tub has enough differences that it could not have been done after purchase. In particular, the bulkhead is factory and very neat.

I have seen a couple of these cars aver the years, always white, always around '89 models. Maybe it was a factory model if you knew what to ask for. I always thougth they were I made it myself specials but now I know better.

On my rego papers my 'holden drover' was a 86 holden ute. Thank god I never got pulled over cause with the 1 litre grill I added after removing the holden badges would have made for an interesting discussion as to why my now seirra had holden ute plates

Gwagensteve wrote:Oh yes there is.....

Michael in our club has a genuine australian delievered SWB ute.

I always thougth they were I made it myself specials but now I know better.

on the subject of "specials" (sorry for the hijack )
I am in negotiations at the moment for the purchase of 4 or 5,
1.3 long wheel base, wide tracks,
I am expecting 3 or 4 to be basket cases, if I get one good one I will be happy
wish me luck.
Peter.

Christover is exactly right. There was a SWB ute in 1989/90, Suzuki called it a "sub ute", so it was a W/T. Eastern Creek raceway purchased several from me when I was selling Suzuki cars in 89' and I still have a Sierra brochure showing details/picture on the model. It came with the same style of roof set-up as a Maruti.

Podge wrote:Christover is exactly right. There was a SWB ute in 1989/90, Suzuki called it a "sub ute", so it was a W/T. Eastern Creek raceway purchased several from me when I was selling Suzuki cars in 89' and I still have a Sierra brochure showing details/picture on the model. It came with the same style of roof set-up as a Maruti.

I like being right, but it wasn't me
twas gwagensteve methinks
oh well, short lived glory is better than none.
christover

christover1 wrote:

Podge wrote:Christover is exactly right. There was a SWB ute in 1989/90, Suzuki called it a "sub ute", so it was a W/T. Eastern Creek raceway purchased several from me when I was selling Suzuki cars in 89' and I still have a Sierra brochure showing details/picture on the model. It came with the same style of roof set-up as a Maruti.

I like being right, but it wasn't me
twas gwagensteve methinks
oh well, short lived glory is better than none.
christover

I'm thinking I'm still a little hungover from my Bathurst weekend.

I was talking about a tray top. A ute traditionally has a tub separated from the cab by a hardtop. Going by some of these definitions any soft top is a ute

grimbo wrote:I was talking about a tray top. A ute traditionally has a tub separated from the cab by a hardtop. Going by some of these definitions any soft top is a ute

The Holden ute is a one piece body, as was the falcon ute for many years.

sierrajim wrote:

grimbo wrote:I was talking about a tray top. A ute traditionally has a tub separated from the cab by a hardtop. Going by some of these definitions any soft top is a ute

The Holden ute is a one piece body, as was the falcon ute for many years.

yes but the tub is separated from the cab by a hardtop fixed body. Not a removable/added on fibreglass canopy

You telling me that a mighty boy isn't a ute

And another "ute " introduced into Australia in 1989 was a limited edition LWB widetrack hardtop. Hardtop being only over the cab and straight down behind the seats. A metal non removable roof. Only 26 units imported to Australia.

I have a photo here in my zook scrapbook, if you want to see it.
I dont know why I cant upload photos to this site. , but IM me if you want to see it.

Bentzook wrote:And another "ute " introduced into Australia in 1989 was a limited edition LWB widetrack hardtop. Hardtop being only over the cab and straight down behind the seats. A metal non removable roof. Only 26 units imported to Australia.

I have a photo here in my zook scrapbook, if you want to see it.
I dont know why I cant upload photos to this site. , but IM me if you want to see it.

hardtop utes like you mention are available in thailand

on the subject of "specials" (sorry for the hijack )
I am in negotiations at the moment for the purchase of 4 or 5,
1.3 long wheel base, wide tracks,
I am expecting 3 or 4 to be basket cases, if I get one good one I will be happy
wish me luck.
Peter.

Did you end up getting them?

ok here she is, only 26 in Oz

Wow! How'd ya manage to get 5? Were there many good ones?