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Ok ppl ......

I'm looking for a windscreen washer bottle and pump setup that has a very high volume output.....

AI need to ba able to "squirt" water through just the std windscreen size hose ( no "jets" will be used ) for a distance of around 4 metres in a solid 2-3mm stream.

there must be something out there that can do my job.....

any ideas

Kingy

Electric fuel pump from an injected vehicle, ie VL commodore
J Top

what about a pump used for boats to suck the water out
or a pump used in a caravan for the sink
and could mount the pump some where outa the way and just have the resivour some where handy and easy to access

You could use air pressure into a sealed tank to push the water out.
You could just use an ARB style solinoid to control air flow.
It would need some sort of pressure regulator so you dont blow your tank to bits .

J Top wrote:Electric fuel pump from an injected vehicle, ie VL commodore
J Top

Was thinking this way may be the Gee Ohhh .

I have a Mallory high volume methonl fuel pump that may just be the ticket if not there is a Holley Red fuel pump sitting in the loft too.....

What worries me tho is the water useage in what is traditionally a "fuel" pump..... could there be any issues with water instead of fuel that I cant see ???

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runnin4life wrote:what about a pump used for boats to suck the water out
or a pump used in a caravan for the sink
and could mount the pump some where outa the way and just have the resivour some where handy and easy to access

mmmm potential.......

tell me more


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ausyota wrote:
You could use air pressure into a sealed tank to push the water out.
You could just use an ARB style solinoid to control air flow.
It would need some sort of pressure regulator so you dont blow your tank to bits

I'd also need a compressor too...... this is a good idea but I'm tight on room where this thing has to fit..... that unfortunately is the down side to this idea.


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Does any-one know of a car that is fitted with a bigger than usual windscreen washer bottle and pump ?????
I recall seeing a big unit a few years back on a jap car but cant for the life of me remember what make / model it was.....

The bottle held about 2 lits and the pump was 3 times the size that one usually sees fitted to 99.95 of cars......

stupid old grey matter is letting me down

My Golf 2 has a washer bottle that holds about 3-5L (never measured but it is huge). Pump is no better than std though. But manages to work at reasonable speeds on the autobahn.

What about a 12V boat bilge pump? I know people who have made camping showers using them, they pump a lot of water (and it could also double as a camping shower!!!).

ISUZUROVER wrote:What about a 12V boat bilge pump? I know people who have made camping showers using them, they pump a lot of water (and it could also double as a camping shower!!!).

may have to google this one for more info.......

only drama I can see is the connection to a bottle ........ URATHANE

what about runing the two nissan ones you have straight into one switch and one thin pipe

Most bilge pumps are like this:

http://www.kayakfishinggear.com/catalog ... 254172.htm

360Gph (US) is 23L per minute!! or 1L every 2.6 seconds! Should be plenty for you.

They are usually made like in the pic so they suck from the bottom. You could just urethane it to the bottom of the inside of the reservoir.

Landrover discovery have very large containers and are very powerful as they also pump water down to wash the front head lights at the same time your washing the windscreen.

I broke one of the headlight squirters of and the water shoots easily 5 metres out of a 4 mm hole.

Landrover discovery have very large containers and are very powerful as they also pump water down to wash the front head lights at the same time your washing the windscreen.

Yep, about 10-11 litres i think.
A bit fragile though. It's mounted to the body through the bottle itself.

Small 12V or 240V pond pump from a hardware or aquariem shop normally used in fish ponds.. you can buy inline ones (ie they dont need to be submerged, ie better than bilge pump) that run off either 12V or 240V and they come in 600-2000Litres per hour ratings..... and they are normally 1/2" at the barb so if u conneted it to tiny tube they should have a fair bir of pressure.. They are about the size of your fist, i have one cooling my pc atm...

What r the ratings for lph on normal car washer pumps?

Austoy's idea is good but wont increase the flow rate.

V8, what are you going to be using this for, obc type major mud dippings?

MY45 wrote: what are you going to be using this for, obc type major mud dippings?

sort of

The idea at this stage is to actually wash the windscreen after a dunking with a large stream of water rather than relying soley on the wiper arms to do the mud removal.
Whats happening is that the wiper arms are smearing the shyte everywhere and its taking several wipes to gain visibility again.
When I'm driving hard this can mean 100 metres of distance traveled "in the dark" so to speak

Two placements for the outlets exist.....

1/ run the normal sized delivery hose up through the holes that the squirters normally sit in, except instead of having a squirter tip ( which gets blocked from shyte in the water ) continue to run the hose out from the bodywork and then along tha actual wiper arm.
Then by drilling / cutting a series of small holes along the hose's length ( directly over the wiper arm ) I can get far more water onto tha windscreen for a much faster wash.

2/ leave the traditional squirters in place ( with the water supply bottle etc etc ) BUT ..... add an additional bottle with a big volume pump, run the hose forward in the engine bay and bring the hose out at the front edge of either the bonnet or guards facing back towards the windscreen.
This way it would be much more like using a garden hose to wash down the screen. I'd put a 'Tee piece" in the main line so taht 2 "hose's" could be utilised.

The problem ATM is the volume of water, with the actual pressure not being such an issue

Kingy

I am thinking of setting up something similar on my lux using the 40L water tank in the back .
If I can find sponsors to help with some agg tyres I might have a bash at a mud race next year (I know I will be a laughing stock with a mighty 2.8 diesel but will still be fun)

what about taking the water outlet to the top of the windscreen, let gravity help you wash it away???

I saw a mud racer once tha had a hose along the top of the widscreen with holes in and a twenty litre drum with some sort of pump and he left it running all thru the race, made lighter worrk for the wipers !!!!!!!!!
What about one of those cheapo shower pumps thats just chucked in a bucket and runs off a ciggy lighter?

mickyd555 wrote:what about taking the water outlet to the top of the windscreen, let gravity help you wash it away???

the only problem there is he is speeding along the wind and enertia may make the water do the opposite

Davies Craig have 2 water pumps, both inline. For durability, use the smaller booster pump. They are made in Europe, and far outlast the Aussie made pumps.
The same pump is used in a Holden Vectra V6 as a booster pump. I will be using 1 of them for my water to air intercooler.

Using a fuel pump will not be reliable, as they use the fuel as a lubricant. Holley Pumps are centrifugal vane type pumps, when used with methanol, they need to be pulled apart and cleaned and freed up as the fuel has no lubricating properties, and the vanes get stuck in the closed position, reducing efficiency. Petrol is oil based, so has a small amount of lube, compared to Methanol or water.

If your engine is supercharged or turboed, use the boost to pressurise the tank, thru a hobbs switch and fuel cut out solenoid, so you don't suck in water when under vacuum. This is how water/methanol injection is set up.

Used to have 2 washer pumps sealed buy grommets and salastic in a(very clean) 4lt oil bottle mounted behind the drivers seat in my old Celica rally car.
Then ran 2 of the larger washer hose avail into a "T" piece to make 4
hose's and cable tied 2 hoses directly to wipers.
The hoses were cut 45deg and angled to widscreen, It used to work quite well.
It used to run of a "Pull/Push" type switch connected to gearstick.
The idea was as you enterd a water crossing u selected the gear and
turned on the wipers(in one motion.) before you hit the creek and on the way out you pulled another gear and turned them off.

hope its helpfull

cheer Ian.

why not just use a good old flowjet or similar 12v water pump, same as used in caravans / camper trailers / boats etc. heaps of presure, and various models from 4 - 15 odd litres per minute. Bsp inlet and outlet threads so you can plumb them up to just about any container. run a 10mm line up to the bonnet and adapt it into the standard sqirter hose.

Activate through a relay using the standard switch and wiring from the washer bottle. Should cost about $200 all up to set up.

J Top wrote:Electric fuel pump from an injected vehicle, ie VL commodore
J Top

i tried using an electric fuel pump for a shower set up and over time the water stuffed it up.

May or may not be helpful but a lot of the cat machines I've used before have 4 jets, 2 either side of the wiper blade (1 central wiper). So the jets move with the wipers, meaning is not up to the wiper blade to spread the water. I've found this setup to be very effective at cleaning the windows and at quite a fast rate too.

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Does any-one know of a car that is fitted with a bigger than usual windscreen washer bottle and pump ?????
I recall seeing a big unit a few years back on a jap car but cant for the life of me remember what make / model it was.....

The bottle held about 2 lits and the pump was 3 times the size that one usually sees fitted to 99.95 of cars......

stupid old grey matter is letting me down [/quote]

Range rovers from 85 up have a 9ltr washer bottle with external pumps.

I am going to try putting a set of Hyundai Elantra jets on mine as they have three nozzles per jet only about $14 for the two. But i would like the extra water capacity and pressure if you find it let me know.

After several hours of wandering around wreckers yards we have a winner


Windscreen washer bottle and pump ........

Bottle holds 2 lits of water .........

the pump can easilly push a 10mm stream of water around 4 metres whilst being held in the horizontal position......

and it cost me $55


and the unit ......









is from a Mazda 929

I'll post up a pic when the camera batterys are recharged

Kingy

Sounds like the easiest way to go. After reading this thread I would have tried the marine bilge pump option inside of a big reservoir bottle and run the tube out through the cap. The one in my boat was worth about $50 and puts out similar pressure/ volume as garden hose. About the size of a tennis ball.

how about a sureflo diagphram pump> http://www.whitworths.com.au/main_itemd ... item=68064 these are the ones that most boats use for water supply to taps etc, and the twine shower and power shower systems also use them. they are on special atm from withworths marine, you can buy instore, or the online store works well, about $10 for postage though


they will do up to 15lpm and are positive displcement pumps so you will get a good stream if the flow is contricted though the size hose you are talking about.

V8Patrol wrote:After several hours of wandering around wreckers yards we have a winner


Windscreen washer bottle and pump ........

Bottle holds 2 lits of water .........

the pump can easilly push a 10mm stream of water around 4 metres whilst being held in the horizontal position......

and it cost me $55

and the unit ......

is from a Mazda 929

I'll post up a pic when the camera batterys are recharged

Kingy

What year Madaz is that

eric

Keen to pix

Have you used rain-x before? Your clearly looking for better visability asap. and this stuff will certainly help any muck come LOTS quicker.