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Ok heres a noob turbo question coming from the search nazi OK here is a link please look, i really need some help! Its about turboing my DD, mainly for towing....I know i could get a patrol or rangie but i love the functionality of the dualcab and if it could tow...DANG!

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I cant see how it could be legal to tow a Car trailer with a 40series on it with a Courier. They couldnt be legal with much more than 1200KG behind them could they?

What year model is it? Is it the model fitted with the Mitsubishi 2.6LTR?

A Supercharger is usually a more feasable method..

For starters, with a turbo, you must modify the exhaust manifold to suit the turbo flange and then route the exhaust off the side of the turbo and out... Then you need to route the air into the intake manifold.

With a SC (Centrifugal), you hook up the pulley off your crank and fiddle with the air induction and can leave your exhaust how it is now (although now an upgrade would be beneficial) .
SC typically has less lag than turbo (depending on psi) and is great for towing applications. Power always seems to be there ready when you need it.

Good luck... maybe just buy a turbo diesel to tow it

Adam,

Have a talk to Dumbdunce, he is quite a knowledgeable bloke, he will give you a few details, on what size turbo to run for your motors exhaust air flow, being a 2.6L, you should be able to source a turbo off an import, you will want something to spool up fast, so it wont be far off idle, and id guess, towing the load you do, id be guessing an intercooler will help you,

are there an motors similar to yours that came out turbo from the factory, cause if there is, that would be an easy source of an exhaust manifold,

RUFF wrote:I cant see how it could be legal to tow a Car trailer with a 40series on it with a Courier. They couldnt be legal with much more than 1200KG behind them could they?

Yeah, it will be a bit over the limit

RUFF wrote:What year model is it? Is it the model fitted with the Mitsubishi 2.6LTR?

Yep

If you are going to be towing it to events and frequent trips between Sydney and Goulburn, surely this warrants a more capable vehicle with the extended use it’ll be doing.

I know you wouldn’t be considering the money N*A*M is for his but in the long run this is a far better and safer solution.

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why dont you sell it and buy a commodore or something to tow with? you can get a vr for about 3500.

Sell the trailer and drive the 40 Its got more get up and go than the ute

Buy the way how`s that motor after you gave it hell up those muddy hill climbs

dunno if i wanna tow a 40 with a Courier. but anyways there were some turbo starions made and some sigmas factory turbo. cheapest thing would be to find the turbo bits at the wreckers and it will all bolt up

three words: world of hurt.

astron engines CAN be fed forced induction but you will need to do head work (either before you boost it up, or very soon after).

Is it EFI or carb? if carb, you will have to toss up the pros and cons of an aftermarket EFI setup (wolf/haltech etc) or a draw-through carby setup - EFI is expensive to buy and set up but is driveable and controllable and will give best economy and engine life once set up correctly, carbies can be cheap to buy but they need dyno time and essentially trial and error to get jetted up correctly. If already EFI you will have to piggy back a second fuel system for boost compensation or toss the computer and go aftermarket. $$$

even if you get the fuelling spot on, the big problem with turbo (or super) charging a small petrol engine and expecting it to lug a big load is HEAT - the ultimate enemy of iron block/alloy head engines. I would not expect change out of $3000ish and that's with DIY everything and no guarantee of it lasting its first trip.

Instead maybe consider trading the courier for a 2H powered 60 series or 75 series wagon (1HZ better but more $$ obviously), you have the skillz to chop either of them into a dual cab, they are rated to tow your load, and you should be able to get a turbo in and working for much much cheaper (well under $1000 if you DIY). It will use less fuel (probably less than the courier uses in its current setup - Carts gets around 12 - 13 litres/100km with his 13psi intercooled 60 series) and will definitely last longer. There are no carby/mixture/detonation issues with diesels and adjusting the fuelling to compensate for the turbo boost takes seconds in the back yard instead of hours on the dyno with a computer messing with EFI or a box of expensive brass bits for carbies.

as a bonus if you get a second cruiser for a tow vehicle you have a virtually unlimited supply of spare parts wherever you tow the 40.

Being a rebadged mazda , wouldnt it have a mazda 2600 motor ?

Drop Bear wrote:why dont you sell it and buy a commodore or something to tow with? you can get a vr for about 3500.

And he is still in the same boat. Towing illegaly. Adam keep this in mind. If you have an accident and Kill someone while towing your 40 with this Courier your going to jail. Its Manslaughter.

Loanrangie wrote:Being a rebadged mazda , wouldnt it have a mazda 2600 motor ?

Nope the early ones had a 2.6 Mitsubishi motor in them. But there were some differences in the cyl head from memory.

RUFF wrote:

Drop Bear wrote:why dont you sell it and buy a commodore or something to tow with? you can get a vr for about 3500.

And he is still in the same boat. Towing illegaly. Adam keep this in mind. If you have an accident and Kill someone while towing your 40 with this Courier your going to jail. Its Manslaughter.

this is the biggest issue with it - it's very illegal and you'll go to gaol when someone gets killed - not to mention it will handle poorly, be all over the road, get lousy economy, frequently break, etc etc.

This would be a better option, and convert the tray to a banana back.. then winch the truck uponto it

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Ford-F350-1973-M ... dZViewItem
$2100



would go as good as courier with trailer, and also would get as good fuel as the same combo

bogged wrote:This would be a better option,...

not a dual cab though is it?

dumbdunce wrote:

bogged wrote:This would be a better option,...

not a dual cab though is it?

also wouldnt be his daily driver.. keep the other twin cab just for daily, and this for events.. It has to be a better option than the Courier.... it may even be legal

what vehicle could legally tow it then? ill be in a similar boat in the near future as I was going to get a commodore or something similar as a tow rig. Surely you dont have to get a truck

Drop Bear wrote:what vehicle could legally tow it then? ill be in a similar boat in the near future as I was going to get a commodore or something similar as a tow rig. Surely you dont have to get a truck

maybe not a truck, but the legal tow cap of a commo with the HD tow pack is i thing 1.8t or so...either way, 40s = 2t + trailer......6-700kg? probably more for one rated to the 2t required. after all the standard hire trailers are rated for 1500kg only. I am thinking we all need a few hundred though so we can all buy f250 etc with 5th wheel trailer set ups

Drop Bear wrote:what vehicle could legally tow it then? ill be in a similar boat in the near future as I was going to get a commodore or something similar as a tow rig. Surely you dont have to get a truck

the only 2wd vehicles i could find when i was looking that had the legal capacity to tow a light vehicle/light trailer were ford AU/BA V8 auto utes (2300kg) or the current holden 1 tonner or crewman V8 auto utes (2500kg)

all the manual vehicles and all the sedans and wagons as well as any of the utes based on a wagon floorpan (holden ute) are all around 1400-1600kg

i ended up buying a V8 auto AU ford ute. it has been a very good tow vehicle. (towed about 5000km so far)

hmmm i might have to get me a falcon then, i wanted to keep the tow rig budget below 3500. I wont be towing a 2T buggy though would be closer to 1T so i may get away with getting a v6 commo if i get an aluminim trailer or something . Sorry to hijack your thread Adam but its all related info

Get a Rocky like mine

Towing capacity of 3500kg Does it easy... ohh yeh

Got me a Leyland Terrier truck, for 800bucks, five years ago.
4.4litre V8 petrol, carries 4.5 tons and tows another 2.. (or tow 6.5 t)
Uses less fuel than the 45 with the same load plus a bit and at better speeds (95-110k)
(converted to gas, and for business useage get 14cents/litre rebate too)

RUFF wrote:

Drop Bear wrote:why dont you sell it and buy a commodore or something to tow with? you can get a vr for about 3500.

And he is still in the same boat. Towing illegaly. Adam keep this in mind. If you have an accident and Kill someone while towing your 40 with this Courier your going to jail. Its Manslaughter.

Oh and by the way don't take this lightly and think that this is RUFF just having his say - this is exactly what will happen, the whole ball game changes when someone gets killed or hurt and you will be off in handcuffs.

Believe me you don't want to put yourself or your family through that

An old F-truck would be go IMO with LPG it would be safe and legal, there is another thread in general about NAM choosing a tow rig might want to have a look

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Tom

RaginRover wrote:

RUFF wrote:

Drop Bear wrote:why dont you sell it and buy a commodore or something to tow with? you can get a vr for about 3500.

And he is still in the same boat. Towing illegaly. Adam keep this in mind. If you have an accident and Kill someone while towing your 40 with this Courier your going to jail. Its Manslaughter.

Oh and by the way don't take this lightly and think that this is RUFF just having his say - this is exactly what will happen, the whole ball game changes when someone gets killed or hurt and you will be off in handcuffs.

Believe me you don't want to put yourself or your family through that

An old F-truck would be go IMO with LPG it would be safe and legal, there is another thread in general about NAM choosing a tow rig might want to have a look

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=45395



Tom

Yeah i know...maybe...naa this is even tow dodgey for a hillbilly. AU was the other option i was looking at. I guess ill just have to put up with a single cab :(

MY45 wrote:

RaginRover wrote:

RUFF wrote:

Drop Bear wrote:why dont you sell it and buy a commodore or something to tow with? you can get a vr for about 3500.

And he is still in the same boat. Towing illegaly. Adam keep this in mind. If you have an accident and Kill someone while towing your 40 with this Courier your going to jail. Its Manslaughter.

Oh and by the way don't take this lightly and think that this is RUFF just having his say - this is exactly what will happen, the whole ball game changes when someone gets killed or hurt and you will be off in handcuffs.

Believe me you don't want to put yourself or your family through that

An old F-truck would be go IMO with LPG it would be safe and legal, there is another thread in general about NAM choosing a tow rig might want to have a look

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=45395



Tom

Yeah i know...maybe...naa this is even tow dodgey for a hillbilly. AU was the other option i was looking at. I guess ill just have to put up with a single cab :(

Get another cruiser....I was looking at getting a F truck for about 6 months till i seen the cruiser,If you wait you`ll find one

4sum4 wrote: Get another cruiser....I was looking at getting a F truck for about 6 months till i seen the cruiser,If you wait you`ll find one

There was only 1 80 series that was rated at 3.5T from memory all of them except the sahara special edition were rated to tow 2.5T

Tom

RaginRover wrote:

4sum4 wrote: Get another cruiser....I was looking at getting a F truck for about 6 months till i seen the cruiser,If you wait you`ll find one

There was only 1 80 series that was rated at 3.5T from memory all of them except the sahara special edition were rated to tow 2.5T

Tom

I am not 100% but I think it is more along a date of manufacture line; after 1996(???) has the higher rating? that said, Adams 40 on a trailer would not be over 2500kg.

dumbdunce wrote:

RaginRover wrote:

4sum4 wrote: Get another cruiser....I was looking at getting a F truck for about 6 months till i seen the cruiser,If you wait you`ll find one

There was only 1 80 series that was rated at 3.5T from memory all of them except the sahara special edition were rated to tow 2.5T

Tom

I am not 100% but I think it is more along a date of manufacture line; after 1996(???) has the higher rating? that said, Adams 40 on a trailer would not be over 2500kg.

My Trailer is no heavy weight trailer and it still weighs 750KG. Adams Cruiser would have to be 2T+. Even a real light Car trailer will only get down to around 500KG and then its not going to hold together towing a cruiser. The other problem most people dont think about is that most car Trailers are rated at 2000KG this includes the weight of the trailer.