Outer Limits 4x4 Board

can some one please tell me why the superior drop shackles are illegal for on road use in qld and not nsw????

same reason as spring overs r illegal in QLD and not NSW

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U can do HEAPS of cool stuff in mexico that gets u canaries up here

bloody hell mate im not in mexico

South of the border dude

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cos its an easy and cheaper way then getting extra travel from onverting to leaf over axcel.... hey luxy you sound like you tried em did they bugger up or somethin?

hey mj i was talk to liam from Big Balls Offroad and he recons that the rules and regs of what you can and cant do to your vehicles are soon to change so they can have just one set of rules and regs for he whole of australia

that would be shit if they use qld for the base set of rules!!!!
that would f@&k every one up!

Sswweeeetttt

Now I can put those huge 225 H/T's on my CRV and not get pulled over

Just Kiddin

Any ideas as to when and what's changin

jake
climex shakels extend uncontrol they at not a better way to improve flex all around only on the ramp. if you are going to do something ileggal do it properly extened ones 50mm is a good start. made from think plate.

wow wow wow no one said anything about doing it illegally i just asked why they are illlegal in qld. hey luxxy i already got extended anti inversion shackles but i just want more all round travel outta the old amn emu leaf pack im running them pretty soft at the moment and i wanna get the best and most travel i can get with out doin it illegally

i was going to post again but i won't.

COME ON LUXY... just tell us what you really think

83 lux wrote:jake
climex shakels extend uncontrol they at not a better way to improve flex all around only on the ramp. if you are going to do something ileggal do it properly extened ones 50mm is a good start. made from think plate.

It's not quite a definite thing the Climaxes being illegal here in Q'land, the engineer that has been working on my zook says that thet'd possibly get through. I haven't asked him to certify the mod as yet. but may look at it, (probably when I'm forced to ). I imagine that if the superiors are not longer than std in their locked state that they'd be in a similar situation.

As for uniform regs across Oz in discussions I've had with Queensland Transport, this has been "soon" for over a year now. (it's a government thing) I was told by QT that it will be an amalgamation predominently based on the NSW system. (Hmmm I may have to get that engineers cert)

JAKE wrote:wow wow wow no one said anything about doing it illegally i just asked why they are illlegal in qld. hey luxxy i already got extended anti inversion shackles but i just want more all round travel outta the old amn emu leaf pack im running them pretty soft at the moment and i wanna get the best and most travel i can get with out doin it illegally

get some longer main leaves made and extend the shackles !!!!!!!

maybe not a huge ramp queen but it will b predictable and controllable and work way better

Superior's drop shackles are longer than a standard version even in closed and locked position. I believe that this was due to design constraints not to gain any extra advantage. They appear to be very well made and strong. The company is also very good to deal with. The merit of any drop shackle is something that always divides people. Think long and hard about it before putting up the $$.

i dont like the way they feel as if they open up freely wen getting it

hypolux wrote:i dont like the way they feel as if they open up freely wen getting it

Have you used them yourself?

Personally I'd prefer to use a 3/4 eliptic setup to achieve a similar result but with more control albeit more stuffing around.

I think that things like buggy leafs, long angled shackles and superior drop shackles all operate in a similay way.

They all allow the shackle end of the leaf to move away from the chassis. Now it will do this on steep climbs and under heavy throttle loads.

The difference between these three setups is the amount that the spring can move away from the chassis. Obviously the superior drop shackles allow more movement. This is why they are good and is also why they are bad.

The best thing about them is that you can lock them so they dont drop away.

IMO a rig with locked superior shackles with standard length springs (so that the shackle remains fairly vertical) will climb much better than a rig that has longer leaf springs with highly angled shackles because the rear of the spring carnt move away from the chassis.

Anything that allows the rear of the spring to move away from the chassis will cause the rig to hop under throttle on the climbs and when crawling up steep climbs will raise the centre of gravity (because the rear suspension moves away from the chassis) This is all an anti squat related type thing as opposed to an axlewrap effect caused by long soft leaf springs.

Now, in my experience, when the shackles arnt locked they dont just freely drop away under articulation as you might expect cause to do this under articulation the spring must still twist in the front portion of the leaf so there is still a fair amount of resistance there. The drop shackle basically lessons the drooping spring rate (if that makes sence) as opposed to just letting it fall down under gravity.

Sam

i run superior shackles on the rear of my hilux, and i havent had any problems with them, but i also dont drive as hard as some of the guys on this BB. if you run a limiting strap on the centre of your diff that will limit how far the diff can drop away from the chassis.
IMO they also help the springs last longer because the spring is only twisting at one end rather than both ends.

we had a guy in our club running the climax shackles and we actually watched them destroy his springs in front of us. He was SPOA with a locked rear running 33s on a Zuk. They were installed correctly. What seemed to be happening was they weren't opening and closing in phase with the springs as they were flexing causing massive axle wrap leaving him with two s shaped springs. If you look at nearly all of the well set up vehicles with leaf springs none are using these type of gadgets. The money should be spent in better leaves, whether it be softer or longer springs and maybe relocating spring hangers etc.

I run 3/4 eliptic rear on my Zuk and have been for about 6 years now and have had no problems at all with it. Nice controlled flex no strange unloading of weight etc. This i contribute to a low weight vehicle, spua. I'm sure if it were a heavier vehicle spoa the characteristics would be completly different

Strange Rover wrote:IMO a rig with locked superior shackles with standard length springs (so that the shackle remains fairly vertical) will climb much better than a rig that has longer leaf springs with highly angled shackles because the rear of the spring carnt move away from the chassis.
Sam

but having a vertical shackle will limit flex and give a stiff ride

grimbo wrote:we had a guy in our club running the climax shackles and we actually watched them destroy his springs in front of us. He was SPOA with a locked rear running 33s on a Zuk. They were installed correctly. What seemed to be happening was they weren't opening and closing in phase with the springs as they were flexing causing massive axle wrap leaving him with two s shaped springs.

I think you'll find that the superiour guys say that you should run a ladder bar which would stop the springs twisting

that is correct, they do highly recomend using a ladder bar.
i use one on mine and havent bent a spring in 6 months.

hypolux wrote:

Strange Rover wrote:IMO a rig with locked superior shackles with standard length springs (so that the shackle remains fairly vertical) will climb much better than a rig that has longer leaf springs with highly angled shackles because the rear of the spring carnt move away from the chassis.
Sam

but having a vertical shackle will limit flex and give a stiff ride

Yep

Sam

I run Supieror shackles alround. The guys at supieror engineering did the whole job. The travel is unreal for something you can drive on the road daily. Will send some photo's soon.
I run 35 Pro comp muds
3" wheel spacers on rear
ford xd springs on rear
Parabolics on front
Custom spring mounts
2" cab lift
front shock hoops
Roncho 5000's alround
supieror shackles alround
Front ARB air locker

show us some pic on track as well

Willy Hilux wrote::P I run Supieror shackles alround. The guys at supieror engineering did the whole job. The travel is unreal for something you can drive on the road daily. Will send some photo's soon.
I run 35 Pro comp muds
3" wheel spacers on rear
ford xd springs on rear
Parabolics on front
Custom spring mounts
2" cab lift
front shock hoops
Roncho 5000's alround
supieror shackles alround
Front ARB air locker

have you got a engineers crtificate for yours yet?

here is a pic for those who don't no what they look like

That isnt a climax shackle in that pic btw..