Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I'm not even sure if he is a member, but if you are out there can you please post up some close-ups of CHAOS's work? Or send them to tooker@webone.com.au if that's easier. A mate may have some work done there in the near future.

TIA

Ben

Ben have ya checked their site www.chaos4x4.com.au ??

Was good to catch up with ya on sat too.

cplux wrote:Ben have ya checked their site www.chaos4x4.com.au ??

Was good to catch up with ya on sat too.

Yeah, pity I couldn't stay longer. We could have yakked for ages!

I remeber some of the photos that were posted had some good shots of the engineering work that had been done. I can't remeber if it was here or on the snake board. I am particularly interested in the welding. The pics on their site are all 'glamour' shots.

Blair ordered a set of their extended shackles. It is well built but poorly designed. The shackle was beefy and the welding was good but a design flaw meant that the sides would squeeze together when the bolt is tightened, thus squashing the bushing unevenly. If the nut was not tightened to let the joint swing more freely, it would probably rattle off. In Iraq, they'd say "Saddam if you do and Saddam if you don't."

yeh im still deciding what to do with em :(

Send the shackles back and tell them to get it right or you're gonna tell everyone on the 4x4 BBs that they suck. Word of mouth is important to their business and they should realise that.

N*A*M wrote:Send the shackles back and tell them to get it right or you're gonna tell everyone on the 4x4 BBs that they suck. Word of mouth is important to their business and they should realise that.

so is correct fitment, and i would say from what you wrote that you over tightened them. I have made some out of 10mm plate (total overkill) and gave them to a mate that bent them doing them up. With nylex lock nuts and lock tight there is no way that they will rattle un-done. You say it is a design flaw, maybe, but if they made them to beef the shackle would not be able to bend in the bush and you would get a ridgid ride and more than likely end up tearing the spring hanger from the frame.

Just my 2 cents


NICK

Totally agree with Nick, I've got a set of their front extended shackles and the only way up could beef them up to stop them closing when overtightened would be to use 2 braces which would stop the shackle from working properly. Have been down to Chaos and have seen their work up close which seems to be good quality both in design and manufacture although they do take along time to get things done.
John.

nick if u only tighten the bolts up to the point were the plate does not bend then you would be lucky if there is 3mm of thread. i feel the problem is there is nothing for bolts to tighten agianst (like on standard shackles).

i was cosidering chopping out the middel brace and putting 1 at the top and one at the bottom, why wont this let the shackle work properly hophoar?????


btw:
i am not bagging anyones products and have nothing against chaos, they are happy to refund if i choose to return the product.

ymmv

Blair if its the rear it won't affect anything but if its the front then the braces would hit the frame rail restricting the swing of the shackle.

cool mine is rear so it should work out ok afterall

post a pic - of the shackles - how can they not do it right really - what is there to stuff up - can you put longer bolts in to it - my extended shackles which were given to me when done up would only have about 3mm out and i have not had one drama

ok so they are not the best looking shackle - what is the side plates made from - stock is 6mm as my ones to go on are 8mm

I have OME greasable shackles in mine. They have a shoulder on the pin just near the thread so that when you tighten them the pin pulls up onto the plate. The other end of the pin has a shoulder too, but it is threaded into the shackle plate. Very good design. No matter how hard you tighten them they wont crush the bushes. $$$ though.

Anyway back to the quality of Chaos's work - provided we are allowed to discuss that here? Anyone else have any experience with them? We may SO a 40 there too (not mine) if the quality is good, or at least engineerable.

Cheers

Ben

i have just spoke to surfection on the phone and he shouold chime in tonight.....

it seemed he wasn't 100% happy with something, but ill let him tell the story, as i dont know it.

2car, If you are going to take a truck to sydney, why narrow yourself down to just looking at one place? Spring-over is pretty straight forward, you should be able to get quotes over the phone form most places.. I have driven up from canberra to have work done by narellan 4x4, mannell motors & overkill, all have done better work for less $ than what I could have doen in canberra.. Narellan is close, too. Probably only 2 hours from the norf cambra..

Wendle wrote:2car, If you are going to take a truck to sydney, why narrow yourself down to just looking at one place? Spring-over is pretty straight forward, you should be able to get quotes over the phone form most places.. I have driven up from canberra to have work done by narellan 4x4, mannell motors & overkill, all have done better work for less $ than what I could have doen in canberra.. Narellan is close, too. Probably only 2 hours from the norf cambra..

Yep, and they do a lot of work on 40s.

carlton is right, apart from driveshafts, its very straightforward

dont have any pics bub. trust me they are not a great design and dont allow the joint to work properly, i have a solution that will work so it is fine.

whats the fix...?

chop out middle section and put one in at top and bottom (also make it 2-3mm narrower than their one), this is not a perfect solution but the plates should not bend meaning the bushes are not sqaushed and the joint should be able to move freely.

I am sure that locktite and nylock nuts would hold, without over tightening

part of the problem is the middles section is too wide, meaning it starts to bend upon tightening, anyway the problem is solved and dont want to bag chaos so i will say no more.

.MYTLUX. wrote:dont have any pics bub. trust me they are not a great design and dont allow the joint to work properly, i have a solution that will work so it is fine.

well, why didnt you make your own??

i was goint to but i needed them quick and i thought there not that dear and being from a 4x4 engineering place should be good, so i just bought them.

+ im a BOLT ON BANDIT :wink: :wink: :wink:

.MYTLUX. wrote:i was goint to but i needed them quick and i thought there not that dear and being from a 4x4 engineering place should be good, so i just bought them.

+ im a BOLT ON BANDIT :wink: :wink: :wink:

if there is a problem with how they are made i would send them back and ask for a refund.

OK here i am...sorry bout the delay . I haven't been on much lately. Too much surf organising to do.

Personally i would take the truck to overkill or mannel. Chaos would most likely be cheaper but cheaper is not always better as we all should know.
Whilst my truck was in there i got them a job, a springover on an fj....that car went in probably 4 or 5 weeks after mine had been dropped in, mine was sitting up on stands with just the ifs cut off, and the solid Ln106 diff in pieces on the ground.....they started on the fj and i think the fj drove out 5 or 6 weeks later unengineered and without crossover [not that there's anything particularly wrong with that].
[oh yes my car was driven out the doors about 11 weeks later, barely driveable]
So all i am saying is pleeeeease look around before you commit yourself to a particular workshop....it will pay off in the end.
Cheers, Jeremy...... Anyone wants to talk about this more please PM me.

Thanks for that Jeremy. Very helpful. Even for the Chaos crew if they read it. That's a big plus for this site.

Here's a pic of my shackles. The quality was excellent (it would want to be for the $). The only problem I found was with the crappy lock washers they supplied in the kit. They got completely screwed up when I torqued the nuts up to spec.

Ok...... i've just got one more thing to add. I know the word FEEDBACK has come up alot in discussions about workshops and custom work lately, and i don't know what people think about my situation and the way i delt with it but far out boys, i tried....15 weeks is a long time ! [ especially after being told the job would be one week with a weeks notice in advance to order parts] and god knows how much time i spent on the phone. After the testing day at menai [pics on snake over a month ago] a dropped the car back to chaos with an A4 sheet and a half of things that needed modifying, replacing or adjusting before i could drive the car on the road again. Four weeks later when i went and picked up the car [ i had panel beaters in my ear wanting to fit parts that took 3 months to get] only one thing off my list had been done, which was dropping the car off to the exhaust shop and getting a 2 foot piece of exhaust put in.
The reason i pleaded in my last post that people look around and talk to various workshops before comitting was because that was seriously a heart breaking 15 weeks..... enough to make me wish that i [a realitive novice] had of just put the car on stands in the driveway and started chopping.
Which i am now about to do as we are going to do the rear ourselves, 3 link A frame etc.....and i think/hope it will be a very satisfying task.

Okey dokey.......i've poured my heart out enough for one night :wink:
Have a good one fellas. Jeremy

Bummer jeremy...

hope it all goes well from here on.