Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I was driving through France the other week and came across a new Santana PS10 (Spanish Series LR copy) for sale. It is amazing how similar the components are to original series bits and pieces.

First a couple of pics of the overall truck.

Front diff looks stock rover. But the rear diff is huge (hard to judge size from the pics) - looks about the size of the big Nissan Diff in real life - and is HYPOID!!! - santana did what LR should have done years ago...

For those that aren't aware, the PS10 runs an IVECO 2.8L turbo diesel and an LT85 5-speed (Santana own the rights to this and still make new ones).

The hubs and swivels look exactly the same as original series parts - except for the one difference that the santana versions have disc mounts. The santana also runs a wider track than a series - looks about the same as a coiler.

Oh, and if you are interested in the price, it was 27000euros ($43000 AUD).

$43,000 for a series 111 knockoff... good value imo

wasn't the santana voted 4x4 of the year by a euro 4x4 mag last year?

good to see, go the series

yes...the Santana was the 4by of the year...
great pics Isuzurover...

Glad you appreciate the pics.

Forgot to mention, that the PS10 has the option of 255/85-16 tyres (33") and a rear diff lock.

Someone should start selling them in OZ...

ISUZUROVER wrote: Someone should start selling them in OZ...

That could be you...



...obviously I'd have to come over to help...

$43k for a 4by with leaf springs -

Loanrangie wrote:$43k for a 4by with leaf springs -

How much are nissan patrols and cruisers? Both still come with leaf rear don't they?

Patrols are all coil and only troopies have rear leaves, at least it could have coils up front.

Loanrangie wrote:Patrols are all coil and only troopies have rear leaves, at least it could have coils up front.

Leaf (rear at least) still available on patrols:

RRP TD42T DX Leaf Manual $50,440

I agree that coils are better, but with parabolic springs it is hard to tell the difference. And the way LR is going, the PS10 will be a much better option than the next defender.

Compared to the current defender, the PS10 has a bigger engine, stronger gearbox (probably), stronger rear diff, and a factory diff lock option. The only downside is the lack of coils (and maybe the looks depending on your point of view).

LEAF SPRINGS ALL ROUND

All the other stuff is to make up for not being able to keep the wheels on the ground.

Is this a case of a lamb dressed in a wolf's clothing?

one_iota wrote:LEAF SPRINGS ALL ROUND

All the other stuff is to make up for not being able to keep the wheels on the ground.

Is this a case of a lamb dressed in a wolf's clothing?

so elec traction control is what????

ass clown

land rover haven't been able to exicute a good idea since 1971.

yes they had the right idea but stuffed it up at evry corner


yeah rear lockers are for pretenders

cheers, Serg

Someone should start selling them in OZ...

stuff that.. who do i speak to at land rover HQ about buying the design and manufacturing rights to the s111 109 1 ton and the 101 FC. You would sell heaps.

Ben - you taken one for a test drive yet ???

uninformed wrote:

one_iota wrote:LEAF SPRINGS ALL ROUND

All the other stuff is to make up for not being able to keep the wheels on the ground.

Is this a case of a lamb dressed in a wolf's clothing?

so elec traction control is what????

ass clown

land rover haven't been able to exicute a good idea since 1971.

yes they had the right idea but stuffed it up at evry corner


yeah rear lockers are for pretenders

cheers, Serg

Harsh words alround

Hasta luego

popeye wrote:

Someone should start selling them in OZ...

stuff that.. who do i speak to at land rover HQ about buying the design and manufacturing rights to the s111 109 1 ton and the 101 FC. You would sell heaps.

Ben - you taken one for a test drive yet ???

You can add the Roadless/Forest Rover to that list.

Haven't taken one for a test drive yet - probably be too tempted to buy one...

ISUZUROVER wrote:

Loanrangie wrote:Patrols are all coil and only troopies have rear leaves, at least it could have coils up front.

Leaf (rear at least) still available on patrols:

RRP TD42T DX Leaf Manual $50,440

That is a ute, all wagons have coils.

Loanrangie wrote:

ISUZUROVER wrote:

Loanrangie wrote:Patrols are all coil and only troopies have rear leaves, at least it could have coils up front.

Leaf (rear at least) still available on patrols:

RRP TD42T DX Leaf Manual $50,440

That is a ute, all wagons have coils.

Now you are nitpicking - since when did I specify wagon only?

The santana comes as a ute as well.

leafs v coils ---- who gives a fark.
the santana was / is built for military contracts. comfort is not an issue.
load capacity and reliability are the issues. consumer / civi sales are just an added bonus.

BTW isn't the optional rear locker that pommie POS with the plastic diff cover ?

popeye wrote: BTW isn't the optional rear locker that pommie POS with the plastic diff cover ?

That's what I had heard too, but I don't see how that can be since the Santana runs a huge hypoid diff in the rear, and the POS KAM mechanno DIY locker is only for the Rover diff.

mabe they have developed it for the santana, probably worth the $ to get a mil contract.

yes my words are harsh, i'm just pasionate thats all.

like hitting my head against a wall. its my head and i'll do what i want with it

being let down by head lights, tail lights and switches(these are more important than you think,esp when you run electric brakes on a 1.8 tonne trailer) on a 3 year old vehicle is not my idea of a well exicuted idea.

have never owned a car or anythiing other than landrovers/range rover.

serg

http://www.santana-motor.at/santana_zubehoer.htm

They look ok and specs seem good, but for a civil not military purpose leafs are a bit crude for 2005. Build quality couldnt be worse than Landrover so it has some good points.

Ben,

Do you have any more pics of the Extra Cab ute? Looks

The local mountain rescue team had a PS10 on test for a couple of days. The engine seems strong, once you get used to the long throttle travel. Brakes are very good. It was the first time I have been in a vehicle with parabolic springs, and I was pretty impressed with the ride quality. Having said that, the Santana has one or two handling quirks which you don't get on a 110 - it doesn't hustle quite as well - but no-one on here is particularly concerned with that are you? Front seats were not as supportive as a Defender (!) but there is adequate room in the middle row for me (6' 2") which is very welcome.

I have heard that Santana are to replace the LT-85 at some point with a ZF manual - and indeed the newer models on the forecourt have a more conventional looking gearlever rather than the dog leg type that the test vehicle had.

Seamus.

DaveS3 wrote:Ben,

Do you have any more pics of the Extra Cab ute? Looks

Not yet. The one I photographed was at a service station/car dealer in a small village, and they only had one Santana - they seemed to sell lots of different makes of cars. I have seen about 6 others driving around on the road, all of which were wagons or hardtops (utes aren't very popular in france and germany). Keeping my eyes peeled though.

Edit, here are some more pics from the manufacturer though.

Love the ute....But coils all round, even Land Rover got that part right.

Must admit the Santana has bee a step ahead in all the reliabliity area's where LR have been left wondering

Driveline and Body of a Santana on a Chassis of a defender would be the perfect all round rig in my mind.

GURU wrote: Driveline and Body of a Santana on a Chassis of a defender would be the perfect all round rig in my mind.

No arguments from me Dave - agree totally.