Outer Limits 4x4 Board

hi all
im feeling a little bit ripped off
after i purchased my car (F20) i went well its about time i took it to the mechanics
just got my car off the mechanics $600 and some l8r
it now has new oils
plugs
points
filters
rear brake shoes
rear brake cylinders

there were 3 diffrent spark plugs in it 2 from a company that hasnt been around since 2000 and and another 2 from the same company but diffrent types of spark plugs

it had a litre of oil in the gear box and the transfercase wasnt any better so he drained it and filled it with 3 litre of some good shit

the rear cylinders were seized shut and the shoes were about 1 mm away from being worn down to the metal

the head gasket is on its way out
and its pressurizing the coolant system and that is killing the radiator

and also the bearings in the front knuckles are fawked and you can jack it up and move the wheels up and down (eg toe in and out) 20mm

i was told the legal amount is 0.5 mmm

and it will cost $500 and up to fix it

but i might be able get a mate to help me do that and probally come out the shorter side of $100

i just need to find the name of it and where to get it from
any idea's??????


kinda had to vent im a little pissed off at the guy i bought it off suposed to be a "good car mate" and its "mechanicaly sound" yer pigs ass it is

any one else had similiar experiences????

cheers
elliot

OUCH! that sucks but u shows how careful u have to be when buying a cheap 4wd. all i can say is good luck, and hopefully if u fix those problems u wont have too much to worry about in the future

yer the mechanics said the rest of it is fine its just the engine is on its last legs and the bearing in the knuckles are goneskies

elliot,

I just finished putting in another Toyota 3rz and the owner of the first one said it's "mechanically sound". Actually it was a freak event that caused it to go out. I only got to drive it for five months. I was just getting ready to put in a new/ used transmission. First 3rz: $1200.00, second 3rz: $1500.00, first transmission: $550.00, second transmission: $700.00. Before that I had a new linked front suspension with Fox AirShox: $2100.00, new custom drive shafts: $500.00, dual transfer cases: $650.00, new 35" tyres: $600.00, new custom 2 1/2" exhaust (I pieced the old exhaust together...junk): $450.00 and a bunch of brake line stuff including turning brakes and an in cab proportioning valve, power steering stuff, heating cooling stuff and on and on and on. Needless to say I had to go into debt.

All this to cheer you up

mmmm the word wood duck comes to mind

I bought my Rocky 4 weeks ago now for 11 grand... It wouldn't engage 4wd properly.. and i was told its just a little switch or sumthing...

I just got it back from the shop with a $950 bill with it!! Yeah the switch was $200, but there was $700 of labour as well!!!

yer thats the biggest thing with the mechanics is the labour
my old man has an 80 series
the gear box makes a noise (some time called gear chatter)
and its like a $5 part but it cost like $1000 in labour cus thew box has to be pulled out and pulled half apart

so we have learnt to live with the noise

cheers
elliot
any one else got any stores alike

Yeah sux hey!

I certainly didnt pick my Feroza up cheaply and I just had to fork out $3300 for an engine rebuild after owning it barely 2 months !

Bloody burnt valves !

Cheers
Brad

just a question who got there car from a car yard or private and what problems

ive always been told second hand cars from car yards are 90% lemons or they have hidden some thing or its been dodgied up so it falls apart just out of the warranty

cheers
elliot

LUCKY for me I just swapped my old triton ute for the feroza couple years back, she ran like a beauty

My car was from a Used Car yard... and i also got the aftermarket warranty which was like $780 for 3 yrs, unlimited kms and unlimited claims.. although it wasnt covered by it... I've heard they try to get out of all claims

i bought mine private.
had to get a new alternator within 1 month and a new battery.
had to replace some radiator hoses as they were leaking due to the earlier owner having a dodgy mechanic who didnt replace the hoses when he replaced the motor due to oil leaks.

Apart from that no real problems.
Pretty happy actually.

From dealer; within the three month warranty period I had the following fixed / replaced:
1. radiator top tank repaired
2. power steering pump pulley fixed (came loose and was worn)
3. new water pump fitted

I was glad it had a warranty!

I recently purchased a 93mod sxp the guy i bought it off was a member of this foreum he assured me the car was perfect. Within the first couple of weeks we discovered the engine is "RS" burns about 2 ltrs of oil per week now the clutch just packed it in. He told me the air con works great , the compresor is "RS" . I can handle little things like rear shackle rubbers & the exhaust that i knew needed replaceing but when he assures you the car is great it's a bit disapointing. Other than that it's a good car

I got mine privately through the trading post. Just cost me $3300 for an engine rebuild 3 months after I got it !@

Its just the luck of the draw I think, I got my last car from a caryard and it cost me a shitload as well! I did cane the shit out of it though!

Cheers
Brad

It's well worth paying the $250 odd dollars for a full RAA/ NRMA/ RACV / whatever club inspection IMHO.

I recently sold a vehicle and the buyer wanted an inspection done by the RAA. I had it done in my garage and watched for the whole 2 odd hours it took. I was very surprised how thorough it was (right down to a compression test using a digital meter hanging off the battery and headgasket check using a coolant level tester all measured while cranking!)

99% of faults would be found by them and certainly any terminal ones. They even checked the window tinting darkness - which it failed for SA laws - luckily the buyer was taking it to QLD where it was legal!

Yeah i payed $5000 for mine its cost a fair bit to keep goin but really sh1ts me is when i pulled back some carpet and finding massive rust holes. everywhere i look there's bloody rust hidin.

GOD DAMN CANCER!!!

yer mine has some nasty cancer but the funny this is its in area's thjat are suposed to be sealed from water

runnin4life wrote:yer thats the biggest thing with the mechanics is the labour
my old man has an 80 series
the gear box makes a noise (some time called gear chatter)
and its like a $5 part but it cost like $1000 in labour cus thew box has to be pulled out and pulled half apart

so we have learnt to live with the noise

cheers
elliot
any one else got any stores alike

Just reading throught this thread looking for info on a totally unrelated topic, but if anyone's in sydney, I know a mobile mech and he's been cheaper than the local garages when I've used him, had the Gbox droped by him twice now, (nce wear and tear, 2nd time i left it under water fir too long ), but each time he's dropped it and pulled it apart i dont think labour has been more than 4-500. PM me if anyone wants his number cause he a real honest bloke

Bought mine in Feb....spent near on $3000 on "normal" stuff (ie not on mods or anything like that)...

Luke :(

Geez I'm starting to worry a bit now. I've just started looking for a roza but after reading about these comments, perhaps I had better get the experts in

Bob

Its an old car so you need to expect some maintaince cost, and its a 4wd so expect a bit more then a family run about...
AND the people on this forum would tend to treat their cars harder then the general public thus they break more.
That being said, getting an expert to check your future car is a good idea.

Any used car will need money spent on it.. end of story.

Only the amount varies.... and it depends on the age and condition of the car.
And as said, 4WDs cost more than any normal car.

yer i got more bad news to add to the story
the clutch has shit it self or a major component in the clutch has gone
either way looks like a new clutch

its going in thursday friday next week for the mechanic to see and he said if it needs a new clutch then it will be about $600-$700

will get him to do other shit as well like
the brakes
retune the carby after he made it rich like a mother funker
check the brakes (pulls to the left extremly bad if i dont hold the wheel wilst braking i think one shoe has worn out and the other hasnt)

cheers
elliot

Where abouts are you located? My clutch went within the first 14days of getting the vehicle. I had it RACV inspected and they hadn't picked up any clutch problems so they forked out $500 but it had to go through an RACV mechanic who charged about $800.

My current mechanic will put a used one in for under $200 and a new one in for under $300 IIRC

Bought my Fez under 2 years ago and had to replace the following:

Clutch, Starter Motor, Clutch Fork, Oxy Sensor, Water pump, timing belt, front wheel bearings, front and back brakes, tie rods, motor, radiator + probrably more stuff that I can't remember.

The good thing is the car is almost all new now although it does need some more stuff doing to it:

Idler arm, Pitman, suspension.........................

Labour is expensive, especially when the mechanic working on the car doesn't know much about Feroza's. The mechanic I go to now only works on Daihatsu's so everything is done quick + he is a daihatsu wreckers and spare parts dealer so the parts are cheap. Jobs that were quoted at a grand from my old mechanic are half price here.

PM me if you are in Melbourne and want his details

MMM that's life, but u can save $$$ by doing jobs yourself if you know how, i've replaced clutch after it was shagged for 4 or 5 months on the road, couldn't climb a slight hill or 2, Mech wanted 590 something to replace the kits, so end up costing me 300 bucks all up myself but it was utter pain in the arse trying to get the gearbox back in , in the end, it's all good, replaced with heavy duty clutch

yer i wouldnt have a clue how to do it
im good with tools but i dont think im good when it comes to mechanical stuff
im a fabricator not a repairer lol
i can do bearings etc there pretty straight forward
but i dont have the tools to do a clutch or the space etc etc

cheers
elliot

I was wondering something. I got a thorough check done by my workshop as well as pedders the week after I bought my rig and they both found the same things, shagged power steering box (leaking majorly) numerous worn out bushes, play in wheel bearings and steering knuckles ect. They both said there is no way they would pass the car on a roadworthy. I've got the copy of the roadworthy and none of it was picked up there.

They both said I should look into pursueing either the workshop that did the roadworthy (dodgi local servo) or the previous owner for the repair bill.

Im not really that type of person as I figure it was my own fault for not getting it checked out, the guy probably realised I was keen and told me somebody else was comin to look at it to try and get me to put down a deposit and it worked!

But still, has anyone ever gone down this road? Ive heard of workshops having there license to do roadworthys revoked due to issuing bodgi roadworthys, any ideas?

Cheers
Brad

What type of DIY person are you. Most of those things you mentioned can be repaired by yourself, with just a little bit of mechanical knowledge.

Play in bearings is sometimes only adjustment, depending on what a life the vehicle has had. The power steering box seal is pretty easy to do. And the worn bushes would be suspension, they can be a bitch to do without some decent tools, but they can be done.

Know any mates who are handy with tools? Get them around, be their offsider, watch and learn, ply them with free beer and a BBQ. Do things as you can afford them. I know its a bummer when you buy a lemon, but such is life.

Remember, lots of mechanic mates will work for Beer and food in the end. I know thats how i always end up being paid. As already said, most of those jobs are not that complicated with a bit of though and preperation. Get a copy of the manual or find a mechanic mate to explain it to you, and you might find it worth doing yourself.
Layto....