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Hi all, I'm sure this has been mentioned, but I ran a search and came up with nothing (Just to keep the search nazi's at bay)

Has anybody tried these winches that are found on ebay? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/AUCTIONBROKERS-B ... dZViewItem

They seem to be cheap? No doubt you get what you pay for but if I can get 2-3 years out of one I'll be happy? Any first hand exp?

Hi
I have one on a 45 series toyota troopy
The fairlead roller didnot fit my arb winch bar i had to by a warn 1 for $300
I used it for the first time last weekend to get out of a light bog ok
how ever later i was pulled up by some one in a hilux who was stuck in a heavy bog and it strugled
I whould have been better of putting a little bit more money aside and brought a warn
Regards Hamo

NOTE:
No winch should be run continuously. To safeguard your winch when using it to pull your vehicle from either dry bogs or wet bogs you should run it for 10 or 15 seconds at a time. Never try to pull the vehicle out in one go as this can overheat the winch and damage it. Used correctly these winches will last a lifetime.


From the website...

DBW,

I'll say up front that I import and sell these winches.

The auction broker ones are an older model, but they should do the job fine. 12000lb of pulling force is 12000lb of pulling force...

As to the wrong sized rollers, there are 2 different sizes available. The rollers made to fit the winch drum, or the rollers made to fit the ARB bar. The ARB bar rollers are 3cm narrower than the actual drum of the winch, making it hard to get cable onto the very ends of the drum. The rollers designed for the winch are preferable, and fit onto the supplied winch cradle perfectly (well, the ones I sell do that, anyway).

Whoever you buy the winch off, just ask what size the rollers are before you buy. New rollers in either size are around the $60 mark anyway, and I would be surprised if a seller wasn't willing to just swap them over due to an innocent mistake.

Cheers

Thanks for your comments guys i thought the qeastion was

Has anybody tried these winches that are found on ebay?

I have and the seller i brought of also imported them himself from china and he did not know about the 2 sizes of fairlead rollers and the smaller 1 still does not propely fit the ARB winch bar
Why whould i buy a mounting plate if i have a winch bar that already has mountings on it for a winch
If you don't have a ARB you may be ok
I just tried to give a honest opinion
and i'am not trying to sell these or any other brand in this forum or on ebay

my 2cents worth is i whould have been better off saving up a little bit more cash and buying a warn

However its your money so spend how you like!
Regards Hamo

would the standard siera battery be fine to run this winch or not?

I probably wouldnt be able to mount it would i? as i only have a nudge bar attached the bumper on the front :|

Crawford wrote:would the standard siera battery be fine to run this winch or not?

I probably wouldnt be able to mount it would i? as i only have a nudge bar attached the bumper on the front :|

winches need to be secured to the chassie rails

Crawford wrote:would the standard siera battery be fine to run this winch or not?

not really, winches use a lot of power, dual batteries are the best bet, but not critical.. I killed my single GQ battery with my warn 10k winch when I first had it, but did a stack of winching and night driving that weekend.

would one of those 12000Lb winches do for a sierra? and be easy enough to bolt to the chassis?

Crawford - personally i think a 12000 pound winch is a bit big for a sierra.
A 9000 pound will get you out of whatever trouble you plan on getting yourself into.

ok and how much should i expect to pay for a 4300kg winch from ebay.. $300 max bid you think?

You get what you pay for. I've bought cheapass power tools/tools over the years and more times than not they phuck up when you don't want them to.

Is 46 kg a bit light on (spooled with plasma perhaps )when compared to a for example warn = 62 kgs. What are the gears and components made of, a light weight material...plastic ?

You'll end up paying a slab of beer or more to get winched out when your POS ebay winch fails.

I have been WARN'D

At the end of the day, I don't want to rely on something that could be unreliable! Warn winch it is! Thanks lads

DBW wrote:I have been WARN'D

At the end of the day, I don't want to rely on something that could be unreliable! Warn winch it is! Thanks lads

Oh how I laughed!

Ummmm...... the last time I looked, the gears were made of metal. I don't know where you get plastic gears from.....

These winches are fine to use. They are not quick, so probably not good for comps and stuff, but they pull you out of the mud the same as any other winch.

Of the ones I have sold, the only problems people have had have been with spooling the cable back in - they have started winching with cable all unravelled around the drum. Loops have come out the sides and fouled on the winch chasis. I guess this comes from more and more people being able to afford these winches, and not having ever used one before.

$300 bucks is awfully cheap. Thats a great deal less than the buy price, and doesn't include shipping, insurance, branding, etc.... I would budget more around $700 or so, and get a warranted, insured, company backed product.

I spose the major problem with the ebay winches is the fact that no insurance comes with them. Most of the sellers are not registered companies, so if something broke half way up a hill, and your lovely rig slid down it, who would you come after? Hell, the 12 or 24 month warranty is from some guy on the internet with a PO Box, email address and a mobile!

I don't sell on ebay any more (well, I have 2 more auctions underway, but they will be the last), just because people are not there for quality products, they are there for a bargain. I've spent the time to get the public liabaility insurance, the brand name, do advertising, etc.....

And I am not trying to sell anything. Just expressing my views.

Cheers

Lao Tsu wrote:

DBW wrote:I have been WARN'D

At the end of the day, I don't want to rely on something that could be unreliable! Warn winch it is! Thanks lads

Oh how I laughed!

Sweet.

I personally wouldn't rely on a warn winch, they come standard without any seals to the gearbox, so they fill up with water and mud, which is great for gears and the free spool.

I have had nothing but trouble with mine it's a xd9000, first the free spool jamed up so I stripped it down and found rust and crap everwhere in the gears. Then I left it in the shed for 6 months, put it back on now nothing at all works the motor is dead it wont even twich, and thats bypassing the relays which are also dead from water and mud....

Yarno wrote:I personally wouldn't rely on a warn winch, they come standard without any seals to the gearbox, so they fill up with water and mud, which is great for gears and the free spool.

I have had nothing but trouble with mine it's a xd9000, first the free spool jamed up so I stripped it down and found rust and crap everwhere in the gears. Then I left it in the shed for 6 months, put it back on now nothing at all works the motor is dead it wont even twich, and thats bypassing the relays which are also dead from water and mud....

I'll give you $100 for it.

I would buy one, i would not get one if i were competing or if i were to be using it every weekend.

But if i wheeled once a month i would only use the winch 2,3 times a year i think it would hold up just fine.

Eric

Yarno wrote:I personally wouldn't rely on a warn winch, they come standard without any seals to the gearbox, so they fill up with water and mud, which is great for gears and the free spool.

I have had nothing but trouble with mine it's a xd9000, first the free spool jamed up so I stripped it down and found rust and crap everwhere in the gears. Then I left it in the shed for 6 months, put it back on now nothing at all works the motor is dead it wont even twich, and thats bypassing the relays which are also dead from water and mud....

you obviously didnt buy the warn winch that is designed for submarines!
Bloke, if you are gunna treat your winch like shyte, its gonna treat you like shyte. They are not designed to be drowned with mud, neither are the relays or the relay housing.

best thing for mud monkeys is to have a winch in a removeable cradle which attaches to front, rear or sides.

Jes

jessie928 wrote:

Yarno wrote:I personally wouldn't rely on a warn winch, they come standard without any seals to the gearbox, so they fill up with water and mud, which is great for gears and the free spool.

I have had nothing but trouble with mine it's a xd9000, first the free spool jamed up so I stripped it down and found rust and crap everwhere in the gears. Then I left it in the shed for 6 months, put it back on now nothing at all works the motor is dead it wont even twich, and thats bypassing the relays which are also dead from water and mud....

you obviously didnt buy the warn winch that is designed for submarines!
Bloke, if you are gunna treat your winch like shyte, its gonna treat you like shyte. They are not designed to be drowned with mud, neither are the relays or the relay housing.

best thing for mud monkeys is to have a winch in a removeable cradle which attaches to front, rear or sides.

Jes

Got that

Yarno wrote:I personally wouldn't rely on a warn winch, they come standard without any seals to the gearbox, so they fill up with water and mud, which is great for gears and the free spool.

I have had nothing but trouble with mine it's a xd9000, first the free spool jamed up so I stripped it down and found rust and crap everwhere in the gears. Then I left it in the shed for 6 months, put it back on now nothing at all works the motor is dead it wont even twich, and thats bypassing the relays which are also dead from water and mud....

No seals in these ether

jessie928 wrote:

Yarno wrote:I personally wouldn't rely on a warn winch, they come standard without any seals to the gearbox, so they fill up with water and mud, which is great for gears and the free spool.

I have had nothing but trouble with mine it's a xd9000, first the free spool jamed up so I stripped it down and found rust and crap everwhere in the gears. Then I left it in the shed for 6 months, put it back on now nothing at all works the motor is dead it wont even twich, and thats bypassing the relays which are also dead from water and mud....

you obviously didnt buy the warn winch that is designed for submarines!
Bloke, if you are gunna treat your winch like shyte, its gonna treat you like shyte. They are not designed to be drowned with mud, neither are the relays or the relay housing.

best thing for mud monkeys is to have a winch in a removeable cradle which attaches to front, rear or sides.

Jes

Mate the thing is on the front of a four wheel drive, and get used, I would expect every four wheel drive that actually gets used would encounter water at some time!!!

I would have thought a quality (expensive) product would have thought of putting a simple seal in there but no they don't, and this makes them sh%$ in my books, but in saying that there is not much else on the market, so it is just a choice of the sh&^ from the other sh^%...

Buy a 9.5xp

Yarno wrote:

jessie928 wrote:

Yarno wrote:I personally wouldn't rely on a warn winch, they come standard without any seals to the gearbox, so they fill up with water and mud, which is great for gears and the free spool.

I have had nothing but trouble with mine it's a xd9000, first the free spool jamed up so I stripped it down and found rust and crap everwhere in the gears. Then I left it in the shed for 6 months, put it back on now nothing at all works the motor is dead it wont even twich, and thats bypassing the relays which are also dead from water and mud....

you obviously didnt buy the warn winch that is designed for submarines!
Bloke, if you are gunna treat your winch like shyte, its gonna treat you like shyte. They are not designed to be drowned with mud, neither are the relays or the relay housing.

best thing for mud monkeys is to have a winch in a removeable cradle which attaches to front, rear or sides.

Jes

Mate the thing is on the front of a four wheel drive, and get used, I would expect every four wheel drive that actually gets used would encounter water at some time!!!

I would have thought a quality (expensive) product would have thought of putting a simple seal in there but no they don't, and this makes them sh%$ in my books, but in saying that there is not much else on the market, so it is just a choice of the sh&^ from the other sh^%...

M-A-I-N-T-E-N-A-N-C-E

LC105 wrote:Ummmm...... the last time I looked, the gears were made of metal. I don't know where you get plastic gears from.....

I was trying to make the point that the e-bay 12000 lb winch, was 16 kgs lighter than the warn (the example I used).

16 kilos lighter, so the e-bay unit must have some quality beer can steel to shed that weight, mabye they do have some plastic bits

rojak wrote:

LC105 wrote:Ummmm...... the last time I looked, the gears were made of metal. I don't know where you get plastic gears from.....

I was trying to make the point that the e-bay 12000 lb winch, was 16 kgs lighter than the warn (the example I used).

16 kilos lighter, so the e-bay unit must have some quality beer can steel to shed that weight, mabye they do have some plastic bits

I think the cable drum is plastic

RoldIT wrote:

Yarno wrote:

jessie928 wrote:

Yarno wrote:I personally wouldn't rely on a warn winch, they come standard without any seals to the gearbox, so they fill up with water and mud, which is great for gears and the free spool.

I have had nothing but trouble with mine it's a xd9000, first the free spool jamed up so I stripped it down and found rust and crap everwhere in the gears. Then I left it in the shed for 6 months, put it back on now nothing at all works the motor is dead it wont even twich, and thats bypassing the relays which are also dead from water and mud....

you obviously didnt buy the warn winch that is designed for submarines!
Bloke, if you are gunna treat your winch like shyte, its gonna treat you like shyte. They are not designed to be drowned with mud, neither are the relays or the relay housing.

best thing for mud monkeys is to have a winch in a removeable cradle which attaches to front, rear or sides.

Jes

Mate the thing is on the front of a four wheel drive, and get used, I would expect every four wheel drive that actually gets used would encounter water at some time!!!

I would have thought a quality (expensive) product would have thought of putting a simple seal in there but no they don't, and this makes them sh%$ in my books, but in saying that there is not much else on the market, so it is just a choice of the sh&^ from the other sh^%...

M-A-I-N-T-E-N-A-N-C-E

what so they are suppose to been rebuild on a fortnightly basis or after heavy rain, this winch wasn't abused it was hardly used, the day it was needed it was R.S. All because of the lack of a couple of cheap simple seals, turned a 10 min recovery into a 2 1/2 ordeal all for a couple of bucks worth of parts

mico wrote:what so they are suppose to been rebuild on a fortnightly basis or after heavy rain, this winch wasn't abused it was hardly used, the day it was needed it was R.S. All because of the lack of a couple of cheap simple seals, turned a 10 min recovery into a 2 1/2 ordeal all for a couple of bucks worth of parts

You are supposed to run your winch out and in a full rope length once a month as maintenance. Helps dry out the built up moisture and you also find out if your winch is farked before you hit the trails.

Best way to maintain a wjinch is to use it! Its the sitting idle bit that
f%#ks them.....

After a days's playing, just spool it out to clean the cable, remove the control box cover and clean it out, and spray with WD 40. Not hard at all.

As for no seals, there all the same, just like my high mount, we just have to get over it...

Just pull it apart, clean it, check the brushes, grease it up, and seal all faces with silicone or Loctite RTV. On the XD 9000's there's two 'notches' on one of the mating faces, that looks like a water drain, but most likely lets the crud in, get the silicone into this especially. As for the control box, new solenoids are about $15 each from Ashdown's.

Winches are VERY simple things. Either they work or they don't.

Pirate 4x4 has a tech write up on a M8274 hi mount, including the wiring. Might help ya