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I want to put wider/taller tyres on my defender if it doesn't sell, looking into lift kit, but main issue is even current 235/85/16's on standard 6.5" rims rub on the control arms under full lock. I have wider spare rims, but they are wider, but sit the same width on the inside. What am I to do? Any suggestions?

pretty sure that your problem is that you dont have enough backspacing on your rims which could be giving you negative offset and wheel rubbing. AFAIK the only thing you can do is take your spare rims to a wheel shop and have the centers cut and re-welded to give more backspacing and clearing the area around your control arms. (hopefully). You could also go for wheel spacers although these put added pressure on the hub, CVs etc.
You will also need to get the wheels balanced and alligned before you drive on them.
Please dont take any of this as gospel though as I havent seen,or know anything about your particular car
Check this site out to give you an idea about offsets etc. and maybe some ideas.
http://www.rangerpowersports.com/tech/g ... tire.shtml

v840 wrote:pretty sure that your problem is that you dont have enough backspacing on your rims which could be giving you negative offset and wheel rubbing. AFAIK the only thing you can do is take your spare rims to a wheel shop and have the centers cut and re-welded to give more backspacing and clearing the area around your control arms. (hopefully). You could also go for wheel spacers although these put added pressure on the hub, CVs etc.
You will also need to get the wheels balanced and alligned before you drive on them.
Please dont take any of this as gospel though as I havent seen,or know anything about your particular car
Check this site out to give you an idea about offsets etc. and maybe some ideas.
http://www.rangerpowersports.com/tech/g ... tire.shtml

Thanks, i'll check out. PS, forgot to mention that I don't want to got the cut and reweld centres deal. seems expensive option before I look at all ideas first.
Thanks

In that case Id look into spacers. How heavily are your tyres hitting your control arm? If you are only just rubbing some 1" spacers will probably set you right without overloading your axle too much. The other option I guess is to buy new wheels that already have the width/backspacing you want. Might be $$$$ though.

well, one option i suppose is to back your lockstops out.... you increase your turning circle, but you'll stop the scrubbing.... I wouldn't have said those tyres would scrub though, they aren't much of a step up on a defender....

Dynamic 4x4 [03 97534005] have a great negitive 35mm steel wheel
for rovers im running 37 14.5s on 15/8 rims with heaps of room.
micka has the 16/8s on his fender running 37 12.5s 4-5inch lift with no cutting looks very tuff

Harley

HI JACK wrote:Dynamic 4x4 [03 97534005] have a great negitive 35mm steel wheel
for rovers im running 37 14.5s on 15/8 rims with heaps of room.
micka has the 16/8s on his fender running 37 12.5s 4-5inch lift with no cutting looks very tuff

Harley

Sound sweet, and expensive... but I better give him a call.

v840 wrote:In that case Id look into spacers. How heavily are your tyres hitting your control arm? If you are only just rubbing some 1" spacers will probably set you right without overloading your axle too much. The other option I guess is to buy new wheels that already have the width/backspacing you want. Might be $$$$ though.

Where would I source said spacers?

spacers be careful.

wheels much better option.

Michael.

moorey wrote:

HI JACK wrote:Dynamic 4x4 [03 97534005] have a great negitive 35mm steel wheel
for rovers im running 37 14.5s on 15/8 rims with heaps of room.
micka has the 16/8s on his fender running 37 12.5s 4-5inch lift with no cutting looks very tuff

Harley

Sound sweet, and expensive... but I better give him a call.

Nice...I can get 25mm neg offset (biggest they do) for $95 per corner...it would have cost me more for a cut and weld.

You would probably have to get em made up in the LR stud pattern as I havent heard of anyone making off the shelf ones for LRs. As stated, be careful, if you have to go more than an inch or so you will start breaking stuff.
Engineering shops would do the trick.

v840 wrote:You would probably have to get em made up in the LR stud pattern as I havent heard of anyone making off the shelf ones for LRs. As stated, be careful, if you have to go more than an inch or so you will start breaking stuff.
Engineering shops would do the trick.

The wheel bearings cop a fair bit of a hiding with these the only car I know of that approves the use of these is the 928 porsche.

Factor in bearing annual changes IMO if you are doing a fair bit of driving

Tom

RaginRover wrote:

v840 wrote:You would probably have to get em made up in the LR stud pattern as I havent heard of anyone making off the shelf ones for LRs. As stated, be careful, if you have to go more than an inch or so you will start breaking stuff.
Engineering shops would do the trick.

The wheel bearings cop a fair bit of a hiding with these the only car I know of that approves the use of these is the 928 porsche.

Factor in bearing annual changes IMO if you are doing a fair bit of driving

Tom

Above rims sounding more affordable and sensible...

Just realised something - 235/85 16 is standard size for a defender, they should NOT scrub at all. Definitely adjust your lock stops in the hub.

Re the Dynamic 15x8 wheels with -25 offset - thats what I'm running my 34x11.5 Jungle Trekker 2's on, only had to back my lock stops out about half a turn each side to stop them rubbing.

If you wanted a set, I can get them for you at around $80-85 cash a rim.... But you'd have to pick them up from my house in north eastern melbourne. BTW, if theres a group of guys wanting sets, I can probably do about $75 a rim, as a crate of 20 is cheaper than buying smaller sets. They are available in black or silver (not sure about white, but I don't think so), however if its a group buy, everyone will have to get the same colour.... Can also get 15x10, 16x8 and 16x10, but would have to check price. Will be cheaper than store price though.

RangingRover wrote: BTW, if theres a group of guys wanting sets, I can probably do about $75 a rim, as a crate of 20 is cheaper than buying smaller sets. They are available in black or silver (not sure about white, but I don't think so), however if its a group buy, everyone will have to get the same colour.... Can also get 15x10, 16x8 and 16x10, but would have to check price. Will be cheaper than store price though.

If you get enough interest I'll buy a set of black 15x8s.

RangingRover wrote:Just realised something - 235/85 16 is standard size for a defender, they should NOT scrub at all. Definitely adjust your lock stops in the hub.

Re the Dynamic 15x8 wheels with -25 offset - thats what I'm running my 34x11.5 Jungle Trekker 2's on, only had to back my lock stops out about half a turn each side to stop them rubbing.

If you wanted a set, I can get them for you at around $80-85 cash a rim.... But you'd have to pick them up from my house in north eastern melbourne. BTW, if theres a group of guys wanting sets, I can probably do about $75 a rim, as a crate of 20 is cheaper than buying smaller sets. They are available in black or silver (not sure about white, but I don't think so), however if its a group buy, everyone will have to get the same colour.... Can also get 15x10, 16x8 and 16x10, but would have to check price. Will be cheaper than store price though.

I would prefer black 16x8's, but 15's would be of interest if the only thing available.

moorey wrote:

RangingRover wrote:Just realised something - 235/85 16 is standard size for a defender, they should NOT scrub at all. Definitely adjust your lock stops in the hub.

Re the Dynamic 15x8 wheels with -25 offset - thats what I'm running my 34x11.5 Jungle Trekker 2's on, only had to back my lock stops out about half a turn each side to stop them rubbing.

If you wanted a set, I can get them for you at around $80-85 cash a rim.... But you'd have to pick them up from my house in north eastern melbourne. BTW, if theres a group of guys wanting sets, I can probably do about $75 a rim, as a crate of 20 is cheaper than buying smaller sets. They are available in black or silver (not sure about white, but I don't think so), however if its a group buy, everyone will have to get the same colour.... Can also get 15x10, 16x8 and 16x10, but would have to check price. Will be cheaper than store price though.

I would prefer black 16x8's, but 15's would be of interest if the only thing available.

PS... it's possible to worsen the turning circle on my defender? Now that what I call amazing...

v840 wrote:

RangingRover wrote: BTW, if theres a group of guys wanting sets, I can probably do about $75 a rim, as a crate of 20 is cheaper than buying smaller sets. They are available in black or silver (not sure about white, but I don't think so), however if its a group buy, everyone will have to get the same colour.... Can also get 15x10, 16x8 and 16x10, but would have to check price. Will be cheaper than store price though.

If you get enough interest I'll buy a set of black 15x8s.

in for 5 16*8 black

Michael.

16x8s are cool. Im in.

HSV Rangie wrote:

v840 wrote:

RangingRover wrote: BTW, if theres a group of guys wanting sets, I can probably do about $75 a rim, as a crate of 20 is cheaper than buying smaller sets. They are available in black or silver (not sure about white, but I don't think so), however if its a group buy, everyone will have to get the same colour.... Can also get 15x10, 16x8 and 16x10, but would have to check price. Will be cheaper than store price though.

If you get enough interest I'll buy a set of black 15x8s.

in for 5 16*8 black

Michael.

D'oh, so that means you dont want my spare 16x7's, rangie..

Okay... will check the prices off all the other sizes tomorrow, and also check if -25 offset is available in 16x8, I believe it should be.

Sorry to non-victorians guys, I don't have the ability or inclination to organise freight, these will be on a pickup/melbourne delivery (if its not too far away) basis. If you want to see about organising freight yourself, you're welcome, but 5 steel rims could be fairly expensive....

And I don't have large reserves of cash, so if I need to organise more than one or two sets, I'll need to get cash off some people. I'm not a trader, I just have access to these wheels at a good price.

Can i get some next year (15x8 black) will need 8 for car and camper.
i just bought 5 and paid, i think $95each.

yes, i will still be able to get them next year, so just PM me or whatever when you want to get some, and we'll work it out then....

RangingRover wrote:Just realised something - 235/85 16 is standard size for a defender, they should NOT scrub at all. Definitely adjust your lock stops in the hub.

Re the Dynamic 15x8 wheels with -25 offset - thats what I'm running my 34x11.5 Jungle Trekker 2's on, only had to back my lock stops out about half a turn each side to stop them rubbing.

If you wanted a set, I can get them for you at around $80-85 cash a rim.... But you'd have to pick them up from my house in north eastern melbourne. BTW, if theres a group of guys wanting sets, I can probably do about $75 a rim, as a crate of 20 is cheaper than buying smaller sets. They are available in black or silver (not sure about white, but I don't think so), however if its a group buy, everyone will have to get the same colour.... Can also get 15x10, 16x8 and 16x10, but would have to check price. Will be cheaper than store price though.

PM'd you, need one set now, and anothe in the new year.

I don't need any, but I'd recommend anyone to take up this deal as getting any aftermarket LR wheels can be hard.
I've got Eastern Wheel Works wheels and they are expen$ive. I was quoted $220 a rim!
I ended up getting new ones a lot cheaper but not from them direct.