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Basically something I didn't take into consideration at all when building my car was an issue of clearance for my pitman arm in the small gap it has between the chassis and spring

The only solution I've come up with after looking at it for a few days now is to get a shorter and flattest possible pitman arm and/or put a reverse taper on a shorter pitman arm to allow me to JUST clear the chassis and drop the front hangers maybe 2".

From what i've read a 2wd hilux pitman arm could be what I'm after, but I'm not if it will fit. Can anyone confirm? Same spline or different?

I've drawn into the pics with red how roughly the spring flexes to and in yellow where I think it may roughly flex to when if the hanger was a couple of inches lower.

BTW the car is a suzuki sierra and mods include- chassis extension 200mm, S/R, and 60's cruiser diff and steering box, with a flattened 60's cruiser pitman arm (which clears the chassis currently by about 20mm).

If anybody has any other ideas on anything I can possibly do to gain clearance for the steering and suspension to work please help.

What should I do?

Mark.

Sorry Dude,

Not wanting to be picky, but there must be a better way to do the green bits??

Looks like you have M&M Steering bits (The orange hex rod)

Zook60 may have some ideas for you, I think his is pretty well sorted - not sure if he has SR though.

this is basically the setup from the front of mine. I run coils allround now.
And yes the u bolts will be addressed soon he has to get the other things sorted first.

remount the steering box

redzook wrote:remount the steering box

The biggest benefit that could offer me is an extra 20mm or so clearance, which is good, but no where near the clearance I need unfortunately

Bad JuJu, like ZOOK60 said those issues will get addressed and I also mentioned I was replacing the pitman arm in my first post

Mark.

remount steering box + re-taper pitman arm to accept TRE from the top + longer bump stop

to me it looks like the box needs to go rear ward on the rail about 2", or a shorter pitman arm

Sorry to hijack this, but i'm looking to do a SR too. Differences with mine are that I am staying SPUA, and am using a Vitara P/S box (rear facing pitman arm). I'll be using Hilux rear springs with about 125mm chassis extension.

I hadn't thought about this clearance being a problem, and by eyeballing it I don't think it will be. What do you guys think.

bubs wrote:remount steering box + re-taper pitman arm to accept TRE from the top + longer bump stop

to me it looks like the box needs to go rear ward on the rail about 2", or a shorter pitman arm

bingo

my exact setup
and dosent come close to hitting

here is were i mounted my steering box
i posted it in the other thread but may aswell put it here too

I'm gonna get a different pitman arm (something a bit shorter probly) and then work from there. Probly will end up remounting the box a bit further back too if I remount it (which I think I will)

When I mounted the box, I didn't have a pitman to go off. I tried to just decifer from photos and others peoples experiences as a guide. This time round I'll actually work it out for myself

Thanks for the help guys, keep an eye out in my members thread to see how it ends

Mark.

remount the steering box

You could remount it possibly. Or get rid of the leaf spring idea, replace them with coils , coil-over shocks or something even more exotic.
I`m using similar setup, 80 series steering box.........

Bentzook wrote:

remount the steering box

You could remount it possibly. Or get rid of the leaf spring idea, replace them with coils , coil-over shocks or something even more exotic.
I`m using similar setup, 80 series steering box.........

Where's the steering box?

Its not in this photo but the mounting plate is very similar to the one`s above. I`ll get a photo next week of the complete setup. When space is at a minimum , I ve got to think ahead, so both steering box and panhrad rod are the same mount.

Bentzook wrote:Its not in this photo but the mounting plate is very similar to the one`s above. I`ll get a photo next week of the complete setup. When space is at a minimum , I ve got to think ahead, so both steering box and panhrad rod are the same mount.

you have got think think ahead?

i thought m&m was building it?

Bentzook, yeah I know I could just link it... but I don't wanna . Not just yet anyway, linking it was one of the first thing that came to mind when this became a problem, but i wanna see how it will work with leaves all round first

I had a look at the setup on your zook when i picked up my draglink from m&m. I liked the dash, it looked like it was factory, very

I got myself a pitman arm off a 2wd hilux today, unfortunately it was from an earlier model and has a smaller spline, I'll try again with something else tomorrow.

Mark

you have got think think ahead?

i thought m&m was building it?

You thought wrong again !
You just out to pick on everything I say these days or wot.
We are building it, I design some of it = he builds it, after all I`m paying for it. I dont pay for crap work.

but i wanna see how it will work with leaves all round first

Just like a hilux would, horsecart leaf springs have been around since time began and have limmited travel.

The leaf springs create a bit of a problem when the steerbox is mounted outside the chassis, so I dont know what yr left with.

2 of my mates are running YJ leaf springs and Toyota Cressida steering boxes and pitman arms with Snake Hi Steer, although it's tight, the springs don't hit the arm on up travel.

Chris

Bentzook wrote: Just like a hilux would, horsecart leaf springs have been around since time began

Gee, they are an old idea, we better stop using them Tim, I no long respect your performance at WE Rock because you run leaf springs, get it linked ASAP

Bentzook wrote: and have limmited travel.

Regardless of what sort of spring it is, the travel is going to be limited at some point. What is the point of "unlimited travel"? Having a mega travel ramp queen is soooo 2003. The focus these days is turning to a setup that has controlled travel at a lower CoG.

The focus these days is turning to a setup that has controlled travel at a lower CoG.

And thats what I`ve created. Controlled travel with the lowest centre of gravity possible, and be a RTI queen....... so go figure.

Ok, just for Bentzook this car is my first real buildup, drove around for around 2 years with basically a stocker. I wanted to do as much as possible of this by myself, with help and advice on things I can't work out myself obviously. I'm not out to build the best or most capable car out there, it's just something to have a bit of fun in and a big learning experience for me building it So i think the old horsecart leaf springs are good to learn from first off.

Here's a couple pics of the limited flex I have with my old horsecart leaf springs. I'm quite pleased with it, especially considering I wasn't out to build a flexy rig, I just wanted a little more then when it was a stocker

Mark.

roc70y wrote:2 of my mates are running YJ leaf springs and Toyota Cressida steering boxes and pitman arms with Snake Hi Steer, although it's tight, the springs don't hit the arm on up travel.

Chris

krawlas hits like a mofo

redzook wrote:

roc70y wrote:2 of my mates are running YJ leaf springs and Toyota Cressida steering boxes and pitman arms with Snake Hi Steer, although it's tight, the springs don't hit the arm on up travel.

Chris

krawlas hits like a mofo

Maybe it's something to do with how tall it is

Damo wrote:

redzook wrote:

roc70y wrote:2 of my mates are running YJ leaf springs and Toyota Cressida steering boxes and pitman arms with Snake Hi Steer, although it's tight, the springs don't hit the arm on up travel.

Chris

krawlas hits like a mofo

Maybe it's something to do with how tall it is

he has dropped it now

although i still give him shit

redzook wrote:

roc70y wrote:2 of my mates are running YJ leaf springs and Toyota Cressida steering boxes and pitman arms with Snake Hi Steer, although it's tight, the springs don't hit the arm on up travel.

Chris

krawlas hits like a mofo

it does too, now that i think about it, Rod doesn't have the same problem though. Might be a different setup, i think Krawlas one might have a 75 series cruiser arm.

bens krawla runs a 60s box with a 80s arm

i had this problem as well, someone on here said a Rocky arm would help, being almost completely flat & shorter than any of the toyota arms.

They have the same spline as a toyota, but you will need a sleeve made up for the TRE, as their quite large on the rocky.

On mine, it helped significantly, but i still needed to have the bumpstops lowered ( box was too much hassle to remount). im using 80 series/hilux TREs in mine, & i also had the Rocky arm pressed completely flat.

Bentzook wrote:And thats what I`ve created. Controlled travel with the lowest centre of gravity possible, and be a RTI queen....... so go figure.

Marcus what are you doing different to everyone else that has tried to run Airbags offroad? Im yet to see a single rig actually work with airbags. And im yet to talk to anyone that has ran them that are happy with them. All in the end after spending mega$ trying to sort it out have said it was nothing but a waste of time and $$$.

markil wrote:Basically something I didn't take into consideration at all when building my car was an issue of clearance for my pitman arm in the small gap it has between the chassis and spring

You need a steering box that has a rearward facing pitman arm that mounts on the inside of the frame(eg, Cressida). Yes i know its a PITA to fit one but without it your going to have problems no matter what you do if you stay with leaves.

RUFF wrote:

markil wrote:Basically something I didn't take into consideration at all when building my car was an issue of clearance for my pitman arm in the small gap it has between the chassis and spring

You need a steering box that has a rearward facing pitman arm that mounts on the inside of the frame(eg, Cressida). Yes i know its a PITA to fit one but without it your going to have problems no matter what you do if you stay with leaves.

cool and what probs would i have with my setup?

I have a vit p/s box for sale if you wanna go inside chassis rail style

bubs wrote:I have a vit p/s box for sale if you wanna go inside chassis rail style

Thanks for the offer champ But I'm confident I'll work out a solution using the 60's box.

If anyone has a 73, 75 series landcruiser or a late model 2wd hilux pitman arm, I'd be keen on one. So if anyone can help with that send a PM my way

Mark.