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Will be running 35x12.5x15 on my gq on 15x10 rims with second airs, need a good aggressive tyre for mud and rock, but would like good road handling, wearing and toughness! Which tyre would u choose???

Radial Claw.....

Goodyear MT/R

silica blend for road handling/longevity
durawall technology for toughness

I was the first to vote STT!

I have them, and am happy with them, and have no reason not to buy them again. They replaced MT/Rs in the same size, which never balanced properly - the STTs balanced on the same rims with less weight.

I didn't consider the Claws because I don't believe I need anything that aggressive - the STTs have done everything I ask.

Cheers,

Scott

MTR out of that bunch.

Need to be balanced more often, but a 30-50% thicker sidewall = more heat build up on road, and good on road manners from the MTR the pick.

Dont forget to let them down more too, because being heavier construction, they dont flex as easy for the same amount of air.

Claws suck on gravel, or under brakes, with directional tread design.

None of those.


Go to a Maxxis Creepy Crawler 35/12.5/15.

Or buy my 37/12.5/16 on neg 25 16x8 rims

They are here:

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=63384

Micka

ats4x4dotcom wrote:MTR out of that bunch.

Need to be balanced more often (True), but a 30-50% thicker sidewall....(That's a pretty big call... )

The MTR is a strong tyre, with 3 x 1500 denier polyester body plys and 2 steel belts which does make good strength and a robust sidewall.
For an everyday drive tyre with physical strength, puncture resistance, tear resistance, uniformity in balance and ride comfort, I feel it can be better attained with the Cooper STTA3.
It has 2 x 1500 denier body plys, 2 Steel Belts, 1 x Spiral Nylon Overwrap and 1 x 8 degree angled body cover ply.
The angled body cover ply gives far better tear/sidewall damage resistance, and the Spiral Nylon Overwrap provides the uniformity in tread section for better ride and added tread section strength.
The STTA3 tread pattern runs a lot quieter than the MTR and IMO handle a lot better.
As for the Mickey T Radical Claws, I really like driving on them. They are a strong tyre with great traction. For my driving style, I think they eat any other radial tyre off road and I enjoy playing on them. They don't drive quite as nicely on the bitumen but I am more than happy with their performance.
So my pick would be:
Cooper STTA3 - as an everyday drive tyre with the reasonably regular and moderate playing/touring off road.
Mickey T Radical Claws - as an everyday driver with regular offroad ventures where you are chasing plenty of traction.
There is no one tyre out there to suit everyones needs. Everyone has different driving styles and expectations of a tyre. My suggestion would be to find someone (a mate ) with the tyre you are looking at and ask for a drive.

Micka wrote:None of those.


Go to a Maxxis Creepy Crawler 35/12.5/15.

Bias are a much stronger tyre offroad, but their on road manners can be pretty woeful. As an everyday drive tyre they aren't really suited. Some people are quite comfortable with the 'Bias Wander' and decreased handling/comfort on the road, but others still want their vehicle to drive like a car.
Hope this helps.
Ryano

edit :- had a slight stutter.

Thanks for replys guys, taking it all in. I have 36 pedes now and want to get away from bias so it is radials, but just want that bit more traction than bfg muddies in the bush. I'll try some of my mates tyres. Cheers.

Ryano wrote: There is no one tyre out there to suit everyones needs. Everyone has different driving styles and expectations of a tyre. My suggestion would be to find someone (a mate ) with the tyre you are looking at and ask for a drive.

This should be made into a popup that come up any time someone starts a poll on which tyre with what car (no offence Huntin, your poll has been the most inteligent one for as long as I can remember)
Peter.

Ryano wrote:

ats4x4dotcom wrote:MTR out of that bunch.

Need to be balanced more often (True), but a 30-50% thicker sidewall....(That's a pretty big call... )

The MTR is a strong tyre, with 3 x 1500 denier polyester body plys and 2 steel belts which does make good strength and a robust sidewall.
For an everyday drive tyre with physical strength, puncture resistance, tear resistance, uniformity in balance and ride comfort, I feel it can be better attained with the Cooper STTA3.


Its a big call, but we have cut, drilled, sawed, torn, ripped, and measured them all, and your call on the STT, well, I can tell you that at least 2 of the sets we have done HAVENT come back.....first time out, for a puncture, or destroyed, and 2 sets because they wouldnt work in the local mud, and wanted the money back.

Do you sell STT's to someone who wants them, every day of the week, but information is a great thing, and testing them all and dicecting them allows the best choices to be made for the customer to suit the purpose, not quotes from the tyre blurb about how its constructed.

Informative posts are constructed from DATA, not advertorials, and case sudies of one, where it suits ones application

As you say, informative posts are constructed from Data, but also from facts and peoples experiences with certain topics.
That wasn't advertorial blurb... it's cold hard tech truth.
Our opinions vary. I don't have a problem with MTR's at all... in fact if you see what I said I gave them a wrap. I am saying that in MY OPINION based on MY EXPERIENCES, I would go the STTA3 over the MTR in most cases. For Huntn, and this case, I'd be inclined to go the Radical Claw, but would still like to know a bit more background on expectations, prior tyre experiences vehicle setup etc.
Yep I do sell STTA3. Not necessarily every time someone wants a mudder, but if it suits them.
I also sell other well known tyres, including Goodyear, and remove all differing brands from vehicles either worn out or damaged as well. It's all well and good to say that you have removed tyres from vehicles as they haven't hacked it but what application and vehicle? Would they really have been suited with a Bias, maybe? These are rhetorical questions by the way.
Obviously the STTA3 doesn't suit them.
THe STTA3 isn't an extreme off road tyre. It is a very strong, moderate off road use/ touring/ every-day-drive tyre. If someone came in asking for a tough, predominately offroad tyre they would be getting a Radical Claw or Bias tyre.
Obviously there are times that as a humble tyre salesman I may not get it perfect from my research of a customers expectations and wants from their new tyre.. it isn't a fault of the tyre that it hasn't performed as well as the customer expected for their particular application. It is however, my responsibility as the person who suggested it as a suitable tyre for them, to rectify it in some way.
Cheers and have a great weekend,
Ryano

radial claws... the way to go

why dont u look at procomp x terrains?

had 33in muddies and wanted something a touch more agressive so i went the CLAWS in 35's..............................mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, wicked tyre.

My experience with the new cooper stt so far is that they're great for touring, but are too weak/fast wearing for the rough stuff.

My first 4 have chipped like fiends and then the bitumen wears down what's left of the lugs. Weekends at LCMP, ormeau etc + 100k's a day on bitumen during the week. I've already tossed two in the bin after only 14,000 k's - one lost a lug and the other had a mild staking which started leaking air once the tyre clocked up some k's on the bitumen over xmas.



The two spares that I put on after tossing out the other two, have done about 6000 k's from southern nsw, thru vic to sa on bitumen and then up through the strzelecki track, innamincka and then east across to brisbane - they're wearing just fine.

Thus my conclusion that they're great for touring but too piddly for rough stuff. I certainly don't by any of the hype that we're reading _everywhere_ about the new cooper stt and how tough it is.

I guess I should be thankful that neither of them actually blew out on me, nevertheless I bought two MTR's as spares this time.

Most of the STT's we have sold, have been for touring people, and the 2 sets who came back after a weekend down the otways mud driving, went onto Xterrains, and love them.

Neither has had a puncture after doing so, either.

The big worry IO see, even for those who havent got punctures in the other tyres on the car, but bought at least one back, had lots of impact damage BETWEEN the tread blocks, which is a real worry, for a touring tyre, weith new tread.

I've ripped a lug off one of mine (old school STT). I'd heard the new ones are tougher but I wouldnt bet on it.

i love radial claws. if you go for the 36x15.5 r 15 they are twice as strong than the 35 in the side wall, i love mine. they do not seem to tram track up and down my street either - obviously in a few weeks i will have a better idea when i'm mod plated.

they are my 3 set of radial claws, i have/ have had 2 bias sets (the first driven very slightly the second yet to drive) they ballance very well for a tyre on a beadlocked rim with one sided balance.

the radials in the 36 have fewer weights than i have seen on many at's such as mtr's etc on 35's (computer balanced 100% by fourby's). i have mates on both camps with the mtr's mark didn't like the mud capabilities, but that is expected, rog (my navi) is on his second set and has got good klms outta them 50000 i think for what was a 3000kg plus towing weight tourer, then a 2600kg fun machine 133kw 989nm! then went and bought 35' sof the same he went around australia towing a van with the same tyres, raced and won some crusier park comps, (he has simex's now). when he saw my 36's he cringed and will get them for his next set so he's converted to radials.

one thing he hated an i have witnessed is they shake so so bad when they are half worn even when ballanced, the wheel moves nearly an inch left to right at highway speeds and pissed him off big time driving fron townsville to sunny and back a few times. i would hate to see them on a nissan - can you say death wobble

go the claw

cheers bru