Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Folks, (especialy those knowledgable in NSW rules & regs)..

Fit wider tyres (and lets assume they do not increase the track) one needs flares. Exactly what part of the wheel must be covered by the flare...

a: The top of the tyre at the outer most part of the front guard.
b: All of the tyre, even at the lowest and most inner part of the guard
c: Phone a friend.


Currently have flares and the to top of the tyre is covered but get to mid rim and I have rubber showing... should I be scared??

Cheers

Rainsey

mates with street cars used to say that the police would drop a 50c coin from the top of the outermost part of the flare and if it touched the tyre at any time during the drop they would get pinged, based on that I would say upgrade your flares

Say I wonder if they had to supply their own 50 cent peice or it was government issue??

Tell you what.. I would be majorly pissed if a cop tried that trick and pinged me for it. But... I take you point. I was hoping to use the after market manufacturers look a likes but this being the case.. too narrow. Looks like 65 mm flexy flares are the go.

Cheers and thanking you kindly

Rainsey

C'mon mate, what's a "Whell" flare?

dont you know anything maggot, its for if you fall down a well and need help, you set of your whell flare and your done, whell being the trademarked name of this purpose built flare

go down to bunning and pick yourself up a 15m roll of black lawn edge and a pack of tek screws. I use these on the GQ and they look good and work very well, there is a choice of width to chose from as well

Tiny... except that you are required to have a 5mm min rolled edge to be legal, like flexy flares have. The garden edge would only be 2mm ish...

P_Byrne wrote:Tiny... except that you are required to have a 5mm min rolled edge to be legal, like flexy flares have. The garden edge would only be 2mm ish...

but it coveres the wheel effectivly, it is less obvious then nothing or not enough, and if a cop picked you up on that alone I am sure he would be happy to let you off with a warning something with the rolled edges. The lawn edge is cheap as and no real loss if some picky cop picks on it

Hey dudes, KANGA RUBBER in brookvale has this buy the meter, has the rolled edge as well. Had two widths in stock.

what about clark rubber???? cant you get anything from them?

matthewK wrote:what about clark rubber???? cant you get anything from them?

only if ya rich from what ive heard. i run bunnings flares on mine and they look the part.

Maggot4x4 wrote:C'mon mate, what's a "Whell" flare?

O/K dude... after a few chardies I am not too withit'.... wheres my spelling mistake.....

How life up north... PM me.

Cheers

Rainsey

Maggot4x4 wrote:C'mon mate, what's a "Whell" flare?

Doh... just looked at my original post.......... now I am absoulutly red faced....... this was before my first chardy..... bugger.... I am on my 5th now so I can be abolved of an further typos""""

Cheers

Rainesy ( the drunk one)

the queensland reg states something like no part of the wheel or tyre shal be visible when the vehicle is viewed from directly above.

this means that if your flare covers the middle of the tyre but curves back in at the front following the body shape (exposing some tyre) you can get done aswell.

Say, thats a bit of a bugger. My current flares stop at the bull bar (obviously) which is flush with my guard (not the flares) thus the tyre can be seen at this point from above.

This would be the case with may a vehicle!

Rainsey

Ive been pulled over by cops a couple of times for RBTs, i have the bunnings lawn edging on mine, i just made it as long as the whell arch and the cops dont even look twice at it. Being polite helps too.

im fittin mine today. got them from the 4wd shop on ebay. hes got heaps of stuff top bloke too and cheap.

check him out

dan

Actually the flare muust also be structural, in that it must be strong enough to keep a pedestrian off the wheel. When I had to get my Suzuki RWDed and re registered we basically did a full on proper rwc picking out anything they could possibly say no to. My flares at the time were polyprop sheet that covered all of the tyre but were only a very thin material which flexed considerably if you touched them. These were deemed insufficient, so we tried the garden edging stuff, nope not strong enough had to go with proper Calmini style flares

grimbo wrote:Actually the flare muust also be structural, in that it must be strong enough to keep a pedestrian off the wheel. When I had to get my Suzuki RWDed and re registered we basically did a full on proper rwc picking out anything they could possibly say no to. My flares at the time were polyprop sheet that covered all of the tyre but were only a very thin material which flexed considerably if you touched them. These were deemed insufficient, so we tried the garden edging stuff, nope not strong enough had to go with proper Calmini style flares

Pedestrians should not ride on wheels. They should be walking. Scruby? SCRUUBY!?

Direct cut & paste from ADR42/04, section 14.2 to 14.2.6 applies to commercial vehicles and vehicles constructed for off road operation.


14 WHEEL GUARDS (MUDGUARDS)
14.1 Wheel Guards for Passenger Cars (MA) Vehicles
Only
14.1.1 General Requirements
The vehicle must be provided with wheel guards (parts of
the bodywork, mudguards, etc) which must be so designed
as to protect other road users, as far as practicable, against
thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and water and to reduce
for those users the dangers due to contact with the moving
wheels.
14.1.2 Special Requirements
14.1.2.1 The wheel guards must meet the following
requirements when the wheels are in the straight ahead
position:
14.1.2.1.1 in the part formed by radial planes at an angle
of 30 degrees to the front and 50 degrees to the rear of the
centre of the wheel (see Figure 1), the overall width (q) of
the wheel guards must be at least sufficient to cover the
tyre ‘Section Width’ (b) of the tyres fitted to the vehicle
taking into account the extremes of tyre/wheel
combination as specified by the ‘Manufacturer’;
14.1.2.1.2 the rear of the wheel guards must not terminate
above a horizontal plane 150 mm above the axis of
rotation of the wheels (as measured at the wheel centres)
and furthermore the intersection of the edge of the wheel
guard with this plane (point A, Figure 1) must lie outside
the median longitudinal plane of the tyre;
14.1.2.1.3 the contour and location of the wheel guards
must be such that they are as close to the tyre as possible;
and in particular within the part formed by the radial
planes referred to in clause 14.1.2.1, they must satisfy the
following requirements:
14.1.2.1.3.1 the projection - situated in the vertical plane
of the tyre axis - of the depth (p) of the outer edge of the
wheel guards, measured in the vertical longitudinal plane
passing through the centre of the tyre, must be at least 30
mm. This depth (p) may be reduced progressively to zero
at the radial planes specified in clause 14.1.2.1.1;
and
14.1.2.1.3.2 the distance (c) between the lower edges of
the wheel guards and the axis passing through the centre
GENERAL SAFETY REQUIREMENTS ADR 42/04
Introduced by Det. No. 5 of 2003 5 of 12 ADR 42/04
of the wheels must not exceed 2r, ‘r’ being the ‘Static
Loaded Tyre Radius’ of the tyre;
14.1.2.1.4 in the case of vehicles having adjustable
suspension height, the above mentioned requirements
must be met when the vehicle is in the normal running
position specified by the ‘Manufacturer’;
14.1.2.1.5 the wheel guards may consist of several
components, provided that no gaps exist between or
within the individual parts when assembled; and
14.1.2.1.6 the wheel guards must be securely attached.
However they may be detachable either as a unit or in
parts.
14.2 Wheel Guards for Vehicles other than MA and
L-group Vehicles
14.2.1 General Requirements
All wheels of a motor vehicle or trailer (including a
‘Prime Mover’ capable of operating without a ‘Semitrailer’)
must be provided with wheel guards which must
be so designed as to protect other road users, as far as
practicable, against thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and
water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to
contact with the moving wheels.
14.2.2 Special Requirements
The wheel guards on the rearmost wheels on vehicles
other than MA and L-Group vehicles must provide
continuous protection between a point in area A and a
point in area B in Figure 2, and must be provided for the
‘Overall Tyre Width’ of all tyres.
14.2.2.1 In the case of steerable wheels, the requirements
of clause 14.2.2 must only apply when the wheels are in
the straight-ahead position.
14.2.3 Wheel guards may consist of either permanent
body structure or part structure and other components,
including mudflaps, provided the specified protection is
retained during vehicle operation.
14.2.4 Where 2 or more ‘Axles’ form an ‘Axle Group’,
separate wheel guards may be provided for each rear
wheel or a single wheel guard may be provided which
provides continuous protection from area ‘A’ of the
foremost wheel to area ‘B’ of the rearmost wheel in
Figure 2.
14.2.5 Notwithstanding the requirements specified above
the wheel guard including a mudflap (if fitted) need not be
less than 230 mm from the ground for other than off-road
vehicles, or 300 mm in the case of vehicles designed for
off-road operation.
14.2.6 The requirements of this part does not apply to any
vehicle the construction or use of which is such that, in the
opinion of the ‘Administrator’ it is unnecessary or
impracticable to provide a wheel guard(s).
14.3 Wheel Guards for L-Group Vehicles
14.3.1 Wheel guards may consist of either permanent
body structure or part structure and other components,
including mudflaps, provided the specified protection is
retained during vehicle operation.
14.3.2 General Requirements
The wheels of a vehicle and the wheel of a side-car must
be fitted with wheel guards of width not less than the
‘Section Width’ of the tyre. The wheel guards must be so
designed as to protect other road users, as far as
practicable, against thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and
water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to
contact with the moving wheels.
14.3.3 Special Requirements
14.3.3.1 Rear ‘Axle’ and Side-car
The wheel guard provided for the rear wheel and for the
wheel of any side-car must extend not less than from a
point vertically above the foremost part of the wheel
rearward to a point not higher than the intersection of the
arc of the wheel guard with a line through the centre of the
wheel at 45 degrees to a horizontal plane through the
centre of the wheel when a mass of 45 kg is distributed in
the saddle of the vehicle at its ‘Unladen Mass’.
14.3.3.2 Front ‘Axle’
Where a wheel guard(s) is provided for the front ‘Axle’, it
must extend not less than from a point vertically above the
centre of the wheel rearward to a point not higher than the
centre of the wheel or to the point where suitable
protection is afforded by the frame or other construction
of the vehicle when a mass of 45 kg is distributed in the
saddle of the vehicle at its ‘Unladen Mass’.
14.4 Visibility of Wheel Guards (Certain Vehicles)
Except when ‘Rear Marking Plates’ are fitted, for every
rear wheel guard affixed to a motor vehicle, or trailer
which is 2.2 m or more in ‘Overall Width’ and which has
a body of the tray type, that portion of the external surface
of such wheel guard which is visible to the rear of such
vehicle must be white or silver in colour and clearly
visible.

Pretty much explains it.

Nothing concrete about rubber flares though except the "guards" must reduce the dangers of contact with the moving wheels.
A little open to interpretation I reckon.

I thought that wheels and tyres must sit within the vertical plane of the OEM guards anyway

i guess if its getting to the point that someones determing if you tyres stick outside of your flares then you not running standard tyres and they can hit you up with that.

i have a TJ with 6 inch wide flares and the side wall of the tyre bulges out 12mm outside of the flare if viewed from above. The tyres are not over inflated but are inflated to recomended specifications.

Hey at least i tried to cover the things....touch wood i have never been picked up from that.

stu wrote:i guess if its getting to the point that someones determing if you tyres stick outside of your flares then you not running standard tyres and they can hit you up with that.

i have a TJ with 6 inch wide flares and the side wall of the tyre bulges out 12mm outside of the flare if viewed from above. The tyres are not over inflated but are inflated to recomended specifications.

Hey at least i tried to cover the things....touch wood i have never been picked up from that.

"Overall width" means the complete width of the tyre including the sidewall, "Section Width" means only the tread must be covered. If you read the ADR, it talks about "overall width" for vehicles other than MA (passenger car). So this makes your sidewalls outside of the guards illegal.

I have 31s on my Rodeo without flares. You can see the sidewall bulge from above but that is it. I have never been pinged for this although they have never mentioned the 31s either

The LT Rodeos in our shape came with flares and I think 245 section tyres which are narrower than 31s so unless the flares are only cosmetic then I assume you need to cover the bulge. Although unless LT rims have more offset than LX I would think the 245s would be inside the guard by a large margin anyway. My old 225s sat inside the guard by miles.

ok guys im flippin me rims how far out can i go (outside of the body?) or is it just as long as u stay under 2.5 overall vehical width?