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Anybody done it? how much is involved? I am kind of torn between that and a 5.0 Litre Commomwhore motor..... the Nissan V8 is apparently able to be bolted directly into the patrol...... any help would be appreciated.

from what I've read, you're going to have to use the VH45 auto gearbox too, unless you want to spend lots and lots on a manual conversion (bellhousing mods, flywheel etc etc)

chops wrote:from what I've read, you're going to have to use the VH45 auto gearbox too, unless you want to spend lots and lots on a manual conversion (bellhousing mods, flywheel etc etc)

I'll be poking it into an auto patrol........ but from all reports, the GQ transfer case can be bolted onto it with minor modifications.

Sandy at Aus4wd has done one well, was running a standard computer but now running motec computer with about 180kw at the rear wheels in a shorty.

the place selling the half cut are quoting figures of 198kw..... anything over what it currently has will be a bonus

that is at the flywheel with no accessories.

LOCKEE wrote:that is at the flywheel with no accessories.

i could live with that it would eclipse the 125kw mine is alleged to be producing

chops wrote:from what I've read, you're going to have to use the VH45 auto gearbox too, unless you want to spend lots and lots on a manual conversion (bellhousing mods, flywheel etc etc)

You mean like this?

morkz wrote:Sandy at Aus4wd has done one well, was running a standard computer but now running motec computer with about 180kw at the rear wheels in a shorty.

if you mean Kyles, closer look at the job, was anything but 'WELL DONE'...

Thats the one thats in the photos above... talkin to the bloke rebuilding it who had to have even the bellhousing rebuilt, engine mounts relocated, and much more, he wasnt impressed, but then again he is a perfectionist.

the last thing i want is drama...... ultimately, it might be easier, although a little more expensive to poke a 5.0 litre Holden engine into it.

RoeDao wrote:the last thing i want is drama...... ultimately, it might be easier, although a little more expensive to poke a 5.0 litre Holden engine into it.

after going the holden conversion i would look down the path of the nissan V8

if you are using the patrol auto will the nissan v8 bolt straight up to it?

if it does it will save you a fair bit and if you get an early holden V8 your only looking at 165kw at the fly wheel
all up i spent around 7000-8000 converting to the holden V8 and that doesn't include the 3000 on the auto to be upgraded so either way you go you will have to upgrade the patrol auto unless you use the infinity auto i guesi will post pics up of the conversion later

it looks a bit neater now that i ahve tidyed up the wiring a bit

Double the amount of work you think it will take.

The VH45 is a bigger motor than the 1UZ-FE I have, and I had problems with it hitting the diff & brake lines. Even with the modified sump.

Should be torquier than the 1UZ but I would have preferred a high-torque motor in the first place, like a worked TD.

grazza wrote:Double the amount of work you think it will take.

The VH45 is a bigger motor than the 1UZ-FE I have, and I had problems with it hitting the diff & brake lines. Even with the modified sump.

Should be torquier than the 1UZ but I would have preferred a high-torque motor in the first place, like a worked TD.

i was thinking this as well after my conversion a worked turbo diesel for torque

but now i love the v8

What about a worked TB42? There must be a lot of untapped potential in that big heavy thing. It is a 4.2 litre motor with strong internals.

chimpboy wrote:What about a worked TB42? There must be a lot of untapped potential in that big heavy thing. It is a 4.2 litre motor with strong internals.

i got told this as well after my conversion

the hardest thing i found as i was trying to do something with the old carby 4.2 was finding a head and crap off the injected 4.2 to put on it since then i have seen a few though

if you are using the patrol auto will the nissan v8 bolt straight up to it?

You will have to get the bell housing from the infinity auto and bolt to the patrol.
Then you will have to relocate the auto and transfer forward so engine
clears the firewall.
That means shorten and lengthen driveshafts.
Think very hard before doing this conversion because it isn't an easy job.
Yes they are cheap horsepower , bullet proof and they will rev all day long but be prepared for a long time to complete conversion.
If you can do it do it!

Hales231271 wrote:

if you are using the patrol auto will the nissan v8 bolt straight up to it?

You will have to get the bell housing from the infinity auto and bolt to the patrol.
Then you will have to relocate the auto and transfer forward so engine
clears the firewall.
That means shorten and lengthen driveshafts.
Think very hard before doing this conversion because it isn't an easy job.
Yes they are cheap horsepower , bullet proof and they will rev all day long but be prepared for a long time to complete conversion.
If you can do it do it!

when i was doing the conversion when they told me i was going to have to get the tailshafts resized i said no straight away because of this reason
don't let this reason decide which way to go as in the end i got dual transfers anyway and had change the tailshafts they are around the 140 mark each and that is thicker tube

I was looking at about 3 and a half grand for the bits....... plus incidentals like hoses, zorst, shit like that. Overall i managed to scrounge from the minister 5 grand. From what i can gather, the holden fits ok with the new engine mounts, and the gearbox stays in the same place. I was hoping that the auto will take the V8 in the short term, then hit the minister for finance up for a TH700 to put behind it. Then i can recoup some cash for the adaptor kit.

RoeDao wrote:I was looking at about 3 and a half grand for the bits....... plus incidentals like hoses, zorst, shit like that. Overall i managed to scrounge from the minister 5 grand. From what i can gather, the holden fits ok with the new engine mounts, and the gearbox stays in the same place. I was hoping that the auto will take the V8 in the short term, then hit the minister for finance up for a TH700 to put behind it. Then i can recoup some cash for the adaptor kit.

depending which model holden engine you get you may find a few troubles with this
if you get a VR or onwards you need to get the computer re programed as far as i know due to the alarm system
if you go VS onwards you still have to do this along with re-programming to think the auto is there as well because the auto and engine run off the same ecu or they rely on each other something along those lines anyway

so if you go with the holden way i would get the gearbox as well straight up im not sure if this requires diff length tail shafts but i personally would be talking to someone who has done the nissan V8 conversion

I was lookin at a 5.0 litre out of a VN

that is the same as mine apparently a good strong engine i went through marks for my adapter kit to the auto and the kit i got wasn't up too scratch the auto wouldn't go into overdrive causeing it to heat up and eventually fail the extra torque and power didn't help much either

aslo you will have to try and adapt the tps switch off the nissan engine onto the holden engine which is a pain in the but

- your radiator you need to get one off a diesel or find some one who can change your outlets around

- you will have to find a fly wheel off a manual as well i found this to be pretty hard to find

i changed my fuel lines as well

not trying to discourage you just letting you know of little things you might not of thought of i wish some one told me this stuff as well but no one could tell me cause no one did it to a nissan auto i will try to remember everything if you want

i was looking at the Marks kits........ they are alleged to have "everything" for the change over..... others have said the dellow kit is better and includes some wiring harness adaptors. I can't see how the extra power and torque wasn't any help 165kw at the flywheel has to be better than 125kw...... and i'm currently getting around 23 litres per 100 on the highway!! others have said they were very happy with the change over. Thats why i am asking a lot of questions... different people have different experiences.

RoeDao wrote:i was looking at the Marks kits........ they are alleged to have "everything" for the change over..... others have said the dellow kit is better and includes some wiring harness adaptors. I can't see how the extra power and torque wasn't any help 165kw at the flywheel has to be better than 125kw...... and i'm currently getting around 23 litres per 100 on the highway!! others have said they were very happy with the change over. Thats why i am asking a lot of questions... different people have different experiences.

the power i meant by it didn't help having that extra power behind the standard auto the auto lasted maybe 1 month before i got it rebuilt and upgraded don't get me wrong i love the conversion im just chasing more power now

i would deffinately go with a v8 conversion there was just alot of little things that add up to alot i too accounted for around 5000 but blew out to 7000-8000 just in things that no one could tell me
and marks kit may come with everything you need to bolt it in but not to get it going properly

yeah i spoke to another guy who had a crap load of problems...... and one who had the engines changed over and the car back on the road in a few days with minimal drama. I'm hoping they have refined the kits a bit, which i'm guessing they do from feedback on problems. I am hoping that even with unforseen problems, 5 grand will do it..... i'm this close ----->||<--- to divorce now because of the money i'm spending on 4WD stuff

well to save money i would get the box with the engine or go the nissan V8 which to me sounds cheaper again

is there a lot of work putting a Pootrol transfer onto a TH700?

just another adapter so your still just using one adapter not sure about changing tail shaft lengths though

i could do the tailshafts at work I'm a machinist by trade... and we have high grade 4140 steel pipe at work..... i can alter them myself and get them balanced easily enough.

I'll give you the hot tip.

Call Mark French.
He is currently developing a Kit for the Nissan VH45.
It's the next best thing!
Will come with auto or Manual your choice.
It is still under developement so you may have to wait a while.


Cheers
Dazza