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time for a new 4 (or 4.5) inch angle grinder, ryobi's are a little cheaper for the same sort of specifications, is there much between them? will i regret getting the cheaper ryobi? is makita as good as their cracked up to be?

i have a 4" Ryobi and couldnt be happier it has lasted well

my personal preferance would be a hitachi (spelling) 5 inch

The only makita power tool i own(i'm a carpenter) is a grinder!
They are good, the main prob with alot of cheaper grinders is the bearings.They just dont last, ive had it for years and it s the same as when i bought it! Everything else i have is dewalt!

chop

CHOPS1 wrote:The only makita power tool i own(i'm a carpenter) is a grinder!
They are good, the main prob with alot of cheaper grinders is the bearings.They just dont last, ive had it for years and it s the same as when i bought it! Everything else i have is dewalt!

chop

chop, i guessed you were a carpenter from the convo you and polar bear were having at the quarry last week

reason i need a new grinder is because my makita sh!t itself last week, armature is burnt out and the bearings are rooted. but up until that point it was a joy to use, i wouldn't hessitate to get another, but saw the ryobi's and made the decision harder.

they need hardware stores where you can try before you buy

Well I'm a carpenter too & every tool we use is Makita. A friend of mine works at the local air & power tool shop & whilst Dewalt isn't a bad brand, he gets far more Dewalt tools than Makita power tools coming in to be fixed, yet they sell a lot more Makita than Dewalt . Stick with Makita ....

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bad_religion_au wrote:
they need hardware stores where you can try before you buy

They do ..... called Kennards .... BTW A good way to tell a tool from a toy is to see what hire places use..... Hired tools have a really hard life.. Operator does not care cause they don't own the thing.


Reminds me of a joke What car does 100km/h in first gear and doesn't need oil or water.. A hire car.

i seriously abuse my makita 4in grinder and its never faultered.


then again i dont like makita power saws but thats an ergonomic thing, not a quality issue.

yea makita's pretty good, ive got a bosch grinder myself (my first power tool - just the handyman quality green one goes great!) ,most other power tools i buy are the best i can get, makita planer, circular saw, bosch 1010w professional impact drill - the one that maintains speed under load , milwaukee 18v cordless drill 71nm of torque etc

Lately ive been looking alot at the cheaper stuff as it seems to be backed up pretty well (replacement warranty) I got a chinese HF start 200A tig($800) , gmc pressure washer and am about to buy a copy of a makita 255mm sliding compound mitre saw for under $400 - i'd have a hard time justifying the rrp of $1200 for the genuine one when i can't pick any difference!

Personally i'd get the makita grinder as theyre not that dear, failing that i'd get something like a GMC grinder, they're ultra cheap i know, but have a 2 year replacement warranty, gotta be happy with that

GU BUG wrote:Well I'm a carpenter too & every tool we use is Makita. A friend of mine works at the local air & power tool shop & whilst Dewalt isn't a bad brand, he gets far more Dewalt tools than Makita power tools coming in to be fixed, yet they sell a lot more Makita than Dewalt . Stick with Makita ....

Yeah its funny that coz ive never had any problems with dewalt, none what so ever. And yet makita i have, go figure! The return rate is probably higher coz there seems to be alot more people using dewalt these days.
Spose it like cars, some like holden some like ford(personally i like suzuki )

Chop

Second last ryobi I bought was a cordless drill, and it was shit. Busted the gearbox in it quick smart (got that warranty repaired), and the battery used to keep going flat. It's still here but never used... i have a $20 KK cordless drill that's heaps better.

Last ryobi I bought was a 4" grinder, it's now maybe 3 months old. From the first time it was used the bearing made a really clapped out noise.

Should have bought the Ozito (which was actually more expensive) or the makita.

Or even another $20 cheapie.

Dont waste your money on ryobi stuff. I never will again.

we use grinders and sander polishers almost daily and i think ryobi sux . It is nothing compared to makita ,hitachi or atlas copco tools ours are seriously mistreated and bounce right back.

I think Ryobi have gone down-market in recent years. I have only one Ryobi tool (12V drill) and I'm not that impressed with it.

Lately I've been buying Bosch tools, and have no complaints with any of them (OK - the chuck on the hammer drill loosens off if the bit hits something hard.) Last workshop I was in had a selection of grinders from 4" up. I think the nicest one was a 5" Bosch blue.

Ryobi vs Makita? I know of tradies using Makita - how many tradies use Ryobi?

Scott

Patroler wrote:,most other power tools i buy are the best i can get, makita planer, circular saw, bosch 1010w professional impact drill -

Don't they sell Festo near you
Peter.

go the makita

it will shit all over the ryobi.

bad_religion_au wrote:time for a new 4 (or 4.5) inch angle grinder, ryobi's are a little cheaper for the same sort of specifications, is there much between them? will i regret getting the cheaper ryobi? is makita as good as their cracked up to be?

I own 4 makita grinders (I can only find 3 ) and while the 9" is starting to get a bit noisey, it has done a lot of work, the 5" with one of those super thin cut off wheels is my favorite, my cut off saw is an Hitachi and I am very happy with that.
The only thing I will say agianst Makita, is that they have a few models on the market that are made in China not Japan, while it is still Makita, I would prefer it was made in Japan.
Peter.

Bosch blue - you won't regret it.

In saying that i havn't had experience with the makita. Ryobi's all seem pretty shit these days.

Im a chippy and almost every thing I own is makita but lattley they have been drpping there standards. Ive started buying hitarchi (spelling). Makita used to be made in japan now they are made in china, thats when the standards dropped

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I think this says a loy about ozito, gmc, and all the other crap tools out there.
Peter.

Rhett wrote: Makita used to be made in japan now they are made in china, thats when the standards dropped

You can get them made in Japan (good), America (good) and some in China (cheap and not good), UK (also good).

I have heaps of Makita tools, the ones from Japan and Amerca and UK hav been the best.
I've yet to see any Ryobi tools that I have thought would stand up to punnishment day in and day out.

We use makitas and they've been pretty strong. (Industrial arts school environment! Thats abuse!)

looks like the jury is in ... went back to the hardware shop and the makita's felt alot more solid as well, and i really didn't like the ryobi handle.

who carries dewalt? i haven't seen them around (but i've only looked twice). and any horror stories about the bosch?

next question is which makita?.. and how do you pick them, prices are all over the shop, this 4.5 inch 950 watt one's cheaper than that 540 watt 4 inch and so on ?

not a pro trady, but i really need a tool that'll finish whatever job it starts... so the 20 buck cheepy's are out... 95% of the stuff i do is car and 4x4 related, so with that in mind, anyone want to make some suggestions (power/ size/ models). last one i had was 540watt 4 inch makita. will a 900 watt motor be noticably different?

also has anyone who's got both noticed any loss of versatility between a 4 inch and a 5 inch grinder? with enough fresh discs i haven't found anything i couldn't get through with the 4 inch one with some patience, but loved the size for getting into wierd spots...

Brand is a guide, but even within a brand there is sometimes low-end stuff from one factory, say, in China, and high-end stuff from another in, say, Japan.

So you've got to actually take a good look at them. Check wattages. Check where the thing is made! Japan, Germany, Italy, France, UK, USA, Australia are all good places for manufacturing & materials quality. China, and Thailand are not. I am uncertain about Taiwan.

Heavier = good sign. More metal = good sign, unless it's cheap cast metal trying to do a mechanical function. With something like a circular saw, more teeth in the blade = a good sign.

I have two Ryobi power tools which I use more than almost any other tools I've got - a cordless drill and a 4" angle grinder. They have done a huge amount of work and never failed.

But: they are both over five years old and I don't think their quality or performance would tell you anything about what's for sale today.

I have mixed feelings about the whole cheap power tool thing. On the one hand, it is good to be able to get a cheap hammer drill for a one-off masonry job. On the other hand, they are mostly crap. So the fact that there is a $20 power tool sitting there might make you think it's crazy to spend $200 on the same type of tool but if you want GOOD STUFF, it's worth the extra.

I have totally veered off the original question haven't I?

Jason

De Walt is just the name for more expensive stuff from Black and Decker.

No wonder these companies pop up out of nowhere making these cheap tools when there are so many people that dont know diddly squat! yes its black and decker, but its not just a name for there dearer tools its actually industrial their range unlike, ryobi, oziti, gmc, and all the rest of these handyman garden shed jobs!

Chop

This is just like a "what brand of tyre should I get" thread

I personaly buy only quality tools that will last a long time and be a delight to use, I must confess that I once purchased a $25 electric plane from Bunnings, as I did not have my Festo plane with me and I needed to ease a few windows that were sticking, it was crap to use, I was embarased to get it out, so I gave it to a mate the next day.
I am more concerned with how the tool feels in my hand and how easily it does it's job, than what brand it is, having said that however, I find that Festo is the prominant brand in my shed.
Peter.

i have a metabo grinder that just won't quit. would recommend them but they are quite expensive.

droopypete wrote:This is just like a "what brand of tyre should I get" thread

I personaly buy only quality tools that will last a long time and be a delight to use, I must confess that I once purchased a $25 electric plane from Bunnings, as I did not have my Festo plane with me and I needed to ease a few windows that were sticking, it was crap to use, I was embarased to get it out, so I gave it to a mate the next day.
I am more concerned with how the tool feels in my hand and how easily it does it's job, than what brand it is, having said that however, I find that Festo is the prominant brand in my shed.
Peter.

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are you ready for your big acting job on Tuesday Mick?
Peter.