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Gearbox / T Case
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 9:09 pm
by Shorty40
A couple of questions for the Yota buffs
What year model transfer case will I need to run transfer gears in
Apparently I can't run them in mine (Feb 74)
Will the newer transfer mate up to my older 4 speed gearbox
Will I still be able to use my PTO on the newer t-case
What sort of $$$ would be a reasonable amount to pay
Anyone got a t-case they want to offload
Thanks
Dan
hi
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 10:51 pm
by humphey
mate u will need a late 47 -60 or early75 series box and tranny,on the early 4speeds there is no crossmember under the box.with the larger transfer its to much weight for the bellhousing mounts ,the low gears u require will fit in the ones above , pin size will be 34 or 38 , 38would be the one to go for its stronger and not as hard on the idler bearings , i'v just done 1 in my shorty witha 88modle hj75 5speed and trans . hope this helps , on price box an tranny paid $750
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:15 am
by bj on roids
OK!
1980 onwards its called a 'split-case'
no!
yes!
whatever they are willing to sell for and whatever you are willing to pay!
t-case? g-box? how much you wanna pay?
no worries!
rob
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:36 am
by Shorty40
C'mon Rob, what have you got and how much ?
Humphey
How much effort is it to convert to the newer stuff ? Whats with the cross member ? Any pics ?
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:56 pm
by dumbdunce
you can pick up a gearbox and transfer from a wrecker for under a grand if you haggle :)
pick and payless (blacktown) have an early 60 series they are holding, give them a call and see what they want for the gearbox and transfer. it will be a 4 speed.
also for your PTO you will need a later type PTO box to go on the transfer, for some reason toyota changed it with the newer split transfer. also some 60 series (later G pack for sure, not sure of others) DID NOT have the PTO gear in the transfer case - just a spacer on the shaft.
cheers
Brian
60 series gearbox & transfer
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:26 pm
by turbo4t
I've got a reco 60 series 4sp box & transfer you can have for $400. Let me know if your interested. Cheers.
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:58 pm
by dumbdunce
define 'reco'?. if he doesn't want them I could be persuaded to take it off your hands.
cheers
Brian
tranny
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:30 pm
by humphey
hi buddy , u have to fit like a 60 series crossmember under the gearbox to support the weight of the box an trannie , miner cuting involved and some welding to the chassie for the mounts , crossmember comes in three peices .fit the box an trannie first than u will see where the crossmember will fit , very easy
need a didge camera
Re: 60 series gearbox & transfer
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:47 pm
by Shorty40
turbo4t wrote:I've got a reco 60 series 4sp box & transfer you can have for $400. Let me know if your interested. Cheers.
I am interested for sure
Where abouts in Syd are you ?
When and what was recoed ?
What year model ? Basically is it compatible with t-case gears ?
Thanks
Dan
Dumbdunce - I got first dibs
Re: tranny
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:52 pm
by Shorty40
humphey wrote:hi buddy , u have to fit like a 60 series crossmember under the gearbox to support the weight of the box an trannie , miner cuting involved and some welding to the chassie for the mounts , crossmember comes in three peices .fit the box an trannie first than u will see where the crossmember will fit , very easy
need a didge camera
I have a fairly beef cross member atm - not sure if this can be used
It looks similar to the Snake racing low profile cross members. I will put some pics up in the next couple of days (rig is getting rewired atm
)
Do you know if this gbox and t-case setup is physically longer than a 40 series setup ? Thinking of rear shaft etc
Thanks
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:54 pm
by Shorty40
dumbdunce wrote:also for your PTO you will need a later type PTO box to go on the transfer, for some reason toyota changed it with the newer split transfer. also some 60 series (later G pack for sure, not sure of others) DID NOT have the PTO gear in the transfer case - just a spacer on the shaft.
The more I think about it - I would rather gearing than the PTO. If I can't use it, it goes in the For Sale section to fund an electric winch
Dan
gearbox and transfer
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 7:56 am
by turbo4t
The box i've got is out of an '82 HJ60. It was rebuilt a few years back (maybe 3), but the car was taken off the road shortly after. I could also throw it a crossmember for it.
Don't forget that these 60 series boxes don't have the transfer handbrake setup. Actually come to think about it I also have a geabox and (split) tranfer from a HJ47 troopy that did come with the handbrake on the back and a crossmember to suit a 40 series.
Re: gearbox and transfer
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:47 am
by Shorty40
turbo4t wrote:The box i've got is out of an '82 HJ60. It was rebuilt a few years back (maybe 3), but the car was taken off the road shortly after. I could also throw it a crossmember for it.
Don't forget that these 60 series boxes don't have the transfer handbrake setup. Actually come to think about it I also have a geabox and (split) tranfer from a HJ47 troopy that did come with the handbrake on the back and a crossmember to suit a 40 series.
Now you've done it. Now I have to figure out which one will suit better. It was easier when there was only one choice
So, both would come with a cross member ?
What year is the HJ47 g-box and t-case ? Ever recoed ?
Where are you ? Can I check them out ?
Same $$$ for the HJ47 setup ?
Thanks
Dan
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 12:38 pm
by 2car
You can get 2.3:1 gears from a three speed case and fit them to your existing four speed case. Only a 15% reduction, but very cheap and you can keep your PTO.
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 2:33 pm
by Shorty40
Thanks everyone for your advice
It looks like it is sorted now - info to follow
Turbo4t - YGM. Thanks dude
Dumbdunce - give turbo4t a buzz if you are still interested.
2car - Cool idea, I probably could have used your cheap fix, but I have decided lower is better
thanks again everyone
Dan
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 5:29 pm
by dumbdunce
there are 2.29:1 gears for the split case, too - from diesel (and possibly petrol, not sure) bunderas. I have 2 sets, one on the bundy, one is in a spare transfer currently bolted to a R150F gearbox from a jap import 1990 LJ78 (prado/bundera LWB)
the late style PTO box is not too hard to find for under $200, just keep an eye on the trading post and pounce when one comes up.
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 12:14 pm
by dumbdunce
trading post:
Toyota Landcruiser 6.1 ratio diff centres and housing, front/rear, $2000 MCGRATHS HILL 0419-61 4271
probaby maq 4x4
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 3:23 pm
by Shorty40
dumbdunce wrote:trading post:
Toyota Landcruiser 6.1 ratio diff centres and housing, front/rear, $2000 MCGRATHS HILL 0419-61 4271
probaby maq 4x4
Thanks for looking, but I have my gearing problem sorted now
Marks Gearmaster gears are going in as we speak
Plus now I still have the option of doing the diffs later if I feel the need to go loooower
That ad has been in the Trading Post for a few weeks now. Got a bit excited when I saw it - until I saw the $$$
The Marks gears are working out heaps cheaper and are more practical
Dan
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 7:44 pm
by dumbdunce
yeah it is a lot of $$$, I wouldnt pay it! would give a simialr crawl ratio to the gearmasters though!
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:06 pm
by Shorty40
dumbdunce wrote:yeah it is a lot of $$$, I wouldnt pay it! would give a simialr crawl ratio to the gearmasters though!
$$$ were way out of my league
Yeah it would be roughly about the same ratio for offroad use, but a hassle to drive on road. My rig isn't quite the trailer queen yet
I might go 4.88s later if I need to. At least I have some options