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I was wondering what peoples opinions are on Split Rims Vs Solid Rims ( not sure what you call them - standard rims now )

On my first 4wd ( 1985 ) Split rims came as standard. It was easy to fix punctured tyres with SR in the bush. ( you just had to run for cover when pumping them back up )
I had no problems with traction ( due to the thinner tyre they took ). If I did get in trouble I would put chains on.

I have tried to change tyres on the rims I have on my 4wd now, and had a hell of a job. -- A lot harder than SR.

Why was there a change from Split Rims ?, and does anyone know what rims the Army uses ??

Thanks in advance.
PS/ Which is the best tyre removing tool on the market ???

My personal preference is single piece/ tubeless rims.
With puctures on a Tubeless rim, you usually find that they are a slow leak and the foreign object self seals in the tyre which allows you to keep bumping the pressure back up for a period of time if you need to. With a Splitty, they go down real fast and need to be fixed to pump back up.
There is also a greater heat build up between tyre and tube in splitty's aswell. This leads to faster tyre wear and can also contribute to the 'carbon balls' that develop in tubes (turn into leaks).

Tubeless tyre/rim combos aren't any more difficult to change than a splitty, once you understand how the rim works. Breaking the beads on a split rim can be just as difficult as a Tubeless.
All you have to do is make sure you work within the well on the rim when fitting and stripping a tyre and slippery the beads up with a little soapy water (spray bottle work well).

I will offer a tyre changing tutorial if people would like. May cost some people a lot of money (80LSY GQ, Bartso and a few others), but for all FOC.

Cheers,
Ryano

Yepp, a tyre changing tutorial would be good!

I think a lot of people could benefit from this....... even if it is only to have background knowledge.

( mate, I bought those MRF super traction tyres on GU split rims and wouldn't mind some more info on how to change them when the need arises ) You boys all managed to swap them pretty quickly given that I had them mounted on the wrong set of rims to begin with....

Appreciate it!

The tyre changing class for noobs sounds good.

I have never had to change a tyre from a rim before.

It can be hard to reseat normal one piece rims and tyres
with a slow 4x4 air pump.

I can teach you tricks for this too.

Cheers,
Ryano

Ryano wrote:

I can teach you tricks for this too.

Cheers,
Ryano

start ya bastard

Tiny wrote:

Ryano wrote:

I can teach you tricks for this too.

Cheers,
Ryano

start ya bastard

The ONLY way to reseat a bead

It's a show and tell sort of thing.... bit hard to explain.
Come in and visit me and I will show you the secrets of the tyre kingdom.It's not that far!!! :D

I'll try and get some step by step pics......

Cheers,
Ryano

i dont mind the splits but when thay go flat its in a big hurry. and have never had trouble with traction from the 750x16 tyres except in sand can be hard going but never got bogged. and i have changed tons of tyres over the years and the split is far easyer to change in the bush. tyre levers and a high lift jack for a bead breaker

460cixy wrote:.... and i have changed tons of tyres over the years and the split is far easyer to change in the bush. tyre levers and a high lift jack for a bead breaker

Once you learn the tricks to changing a tubeless, it's just as easy as a split. Tyre levers, spray and wipe, and a hi-lift/ tyrepliers.

Cheers,
Ryano

have used tyre plyers before but only as a bead breaker. all the tubless tyres have been done with levers and a rubber mallet not hard but not real easy havent tryed tyre plyers for fitting tyres so cant coment on those.

If you could put up some step by step photos of how to change the split rim tyres, that would be excellent.

Cheers

[Tubeless tyre/rim combos aren't any more difficult to change than a splitty, once you understand how the rim works. Breaking the beads on a split rim can be just as difficult as a Tubeless.
All you have to do is make sure you work within the well on the rim when fitting and stripping a tyre and slippery the beads up with a little soapy water (spray bottle work well).

I will offer a tyre changing tutorial if people would like. May cost some people a lot of money (80LSY GQ, Bartso and a few others), but for all FOC.

Cheers,
Ryano




Ryano, a "changing Tutorial" would be great.
With breaking the bead -- I have tried driving over the tyre ( ala - Malcolm Douglas) but that didnt work !

Ready and waiting Ryano !








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I haven't forgotten about this.... just gotta find the time.

Cheers,
Ryano

One backyard way I've seen of breaking involved a scissor jack and a car with a tow ball.. but wheels under back car, sit scissor jack on top, start winding up under the towball.. will eventually break the bead

make sure you chock the front wheels just in case

chops wrote:One backyard way I've seen of breaking involved a scissor jack and a car with a tow ball.. but wheels under back car, sit scissor jack on top, start winding up under the towball.. will eventually break the bead

make sure you chock the front wheels just in case

Tried it -- didnt work.

TheGatta wrote: With breaking the bead -- I have tried driving over the tyre ( ala - Malcolm Douglas) but that didnt work !

Me too, tried to break the bead on my 36" swampers, which had mud in the bead, but they wouldn't seperate.

Victor Bray and Brett Stevens use tyrepliers to change the burnout tyres on their burnout cars, and can do it really quickly. Although they are usually very clean and mud free, but they do cop a lot of heat and sort of glue themselves to the rim.

Victor Bray and Brett Stevens use tyrepliers to change the burnout tyres on their burnout cars, and can do it really quickly. Although they are usually very clean and mud free, but they do cop a lot of heat and sort of glue themselves to the rim.[/quote]


Does anyone have a website / photo of these tyrepliers ?

My advise go and watch some one change a tyre by hand first, then give it a go once so u have a rough idea of how to do incase u ever have to, then pay the local tyre mob $20 to change and balance the rest of tyres for u. It is a shit of a job and i hate scratching my new rims with the tyre leavers

TheGatta wrote:

chops wrote:One backyard way I've seen of breaking involved a scissor jack and a car with a tow ball.. but wheels under back car, sit scissor jack on top, start winding up under the towball.. will eventually break the bead

make sure you chock the front wheels just in case

Tried it -- didnt work.

this is what a high lift is for

460cixy wrote:

TheGatta wrote:

chops wrote:One backyard way I've seen of breaking involved a scissor jack and a car with a tow ball.. but wheels under back car, sit scissor jack on top, start winding up under the towball.. will eventually break the bead

make sure you chock the front wheels just in case

Tried it -- didnt work.

this is what a high lift is for

Tried the high lift as well -- didnt work.

TheGatta wrote:

chops wrote:One backyard way I've seen of breaking involved a scissor jack and a car with a tow ball.. but wheels under back car, sit scissor jack on top, start winding up under the towball.. will eventually break the bead

make sure you chock the front wheels just in case

Tried it -- didnt work.

worked for a 205/65R15 under the back of an XD wagon..