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Hi,

Does anyone have instructions on using the factory PTO winches on the 89 Sahara's?


Thanks!

i don't know what sort is the factory toyota, but if it is anything like a thomas (on my 75) it's sorta like this.

1. put truck in neutral or pto transfer case postion (if still in low range you will have drive to the wheels still, however it will not be at the same speed/ratio as the winch pull and comes with the attendant dangers of shock loading. PTO position would be better for the winch noob)
2. engage pto outlet drive
3. go to winch and spool out cable
4. after setting up anchor and cable engage dog clutch on winch
5. engage 1st gear with clutch in, then release clutch to start winching in. (at this point if you are still in low range then the wheels will turn also) the higher gear you choose the faster the spooling in but with less strength and control. reverse gear will spool out under power.

some notes

i have written this in a hurry so i am sure i have forgotten some safety notes. but this is the basics of how it works mechanically. see all the other threads on winching for safety notes

i have found it helps to have a helper wind the first bit of the cable on after setting up or it will birdsnest, but only till the cable is straight and spooled on nicely, and not under ANY load or where the vehicle can slip and suddenly place load on the cable.

using a PTO winch for this reason is definately not a one man job.

basically as far as i know most pto's have the following component you need to locate

1. a outlet drive engagement lever in the cab ususally
2. a dog clutch lever on the winch to allow for free spooling and drive engagement
3. a shear pin, usually in the drive shaft.

hope this helps

p.s. please practice all of this BEFORE you need to in the backyard on a GENTLE slope.

If your transfer is in Neutral and the PTO is engaged, when you then select a gear will the motive force of the engine then drive the PTO whilst the wheels remain disengaged, ie stationary?

Bundy_Harry wrote:If your transfer is in Neutral and the PTO is engaged, when you then select a gear will the motive force of the engine then drive the PTO whilst the wheels remain disengaged, ie stationary?

if i understand what you are saying then yes: when your transfer is in neutral, and your pto is engaged and your in 1st then you wont get any drive to the wheels (cos your transfer is in neutral). Just make sure your handbrake is up to the task!!

heres my method that applies to my 40:

recovering someone else
1) position vehicle for recovery
2) engage handbrake, and put in neutral
3) disengage dog clutch (its usually engaged when not in use) and free spool out cable
4) attached to bogged vehicle with neccessary bits and peices, dont forget your cable dampener
5) re-engage dog clutch
6) put transfercase in neutral
7) engage pto gear via cable or level in cab
8) put in first and slowly release clutch
9) slowly winch in 1st (it will be very slow)
when done,
1) undo cable from other vehicle,
2) attach hook to front of your vehicle,
3) get someone to put it in first while you keep tension on the cable when it gets pulled in the last remaining bit (so it doesnt birdnest)
4) signal to driver to push in clutch and take out of first when its all wound up

when your recovering yourself i guess its the same cept no need to for handbrake,etc.

hope that helps.. ive only done it a few times (twice) so i'm still learning..

anyone with some tips on this please post!

have you got a photo mine is a factory toyo not thomas

make sure the dog clutch isn't burred over or rounded at the drive flanges. this will occur when the dog clutch slips out under load and will make you sh..t yourself coz you will think you have snapped a cable and are waiting for it to come flying throught the windscreen. this can be rectified with a hole in the top of the dog lever and a big zip tie holding it (to the bullbar upright etc.)in while winching

Don't forget to disengage the PTO when you've finished. It sounds obvious, but easy to forget. Then you'll be testing the shear pin... Or hearing the winch tear itself to pieces as you drive off.... It's also a good idea to carry a spare shear pin (or 2)

If my memory is correct,the winch you are talking about will have a 2 round rails from rear of winch body to front of winch body and shafts and uni joints from T/case.If Iam correct your pto lever is mounted on the leftside of trans tunnell.It should have a metal retaining gaurd that you flip aside to engage pto.I also think that lever forward could drive winch cable out and lever back will wind it in.Ginving you 5 in and 5 speeds out plus reverse which you wont use.Sounds familiar.What the other blokes have said is pratty well spot on.Shear pin is located at first uni that fits on keyway at winch shaft and is approx 6mm dia.Roofing nail will do at a pinch.
See how you go.
PS.with the dog clutch out everything in the g/box of the winch will be turning shafts fron pto etc so keep hands away.