Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Ah the things you come across on the net

give him a break!!!! OBVIOSLY He's on his P plates and probably his first 4WD may, not be as flash as yours but he's having a go!!! All things take time he might even end up with a better 4WD than YOU!!!!!

Rees

Not bad ................... Not bad at all

Considering is a stock unit its sits sweetly,
nice flat front left spring pak ( with swaybar still connected ),
tyres that look to be 33's and not rubbing,

The body is fairly straight too,
there is two spots of cancer that have been fixed ( this shows a positave "care factor" ),
no major dents or scrapes,
& theres an actual shine to the paintwork,


All up it has some real potential........
just add .........


V8 , SOA, 35"s ,







Kingy

On the negative side ...........



What sort of twit would put the recovery hook in the middle of the bullbar,

Especially a std non winch type bar ....... Oh well it will bend up nicely when the time comes !


Kingy

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... =roo+dozer

he's a member

Gee i guess im in the same boat a roo doozer. Some of us make do with what we have.

My 2c is next time ya wanna hang a dump on someone, Do it in your own back yard.


Maybe we should but some pics of your up and comapre it to a ramp queen

Unless you were trying to make a funny, It didnt work

thats a 35

by the way i'm only picking on him cos i have met him before

Big Red Toy wrote:thats a 35 [img]
by the way i'm only picking on him cos i have met him before

And there is a guard chop

Ah, well. Like i said some of us didnt find it funny . I guess if we meet him we would understand ?

I didnt think it was in your character to Hang shit and actually mean it .

Cheers

problem with my car??? it does the job for me. and basically i dont really care what "tough" people on the internet think about it.

mk swb wrote:give him a break!!!! OBVIOSLY He's on his P plates and probably his first 4WD may, not be as flash as yours but he's having a go!!! All things take time he might even end up with a better 4WD than YOU!!!!!

Rees

yes i am on my p's, it is my first 4wd first car aswell., and yes i am having a go. and it doesnt bother me if someone has a better car than me. they probably worked hard for it? this has been built on a tight budget, and all work has ben done by me aswell.

V8Patrol wrote:On the negative side ...........
What sort of twit would put the recovery hook in the middle of the bullbar,

Especially a std non winch type bar ....... Oh well it will bend up nicely when the time comes !

Kingy

might not be your cup of tea. but its working fine and ha had some hard pulls from it. and the bar has had work done to it. (which i wont go into because you will all cry more.)

V8Patrol wrote:Not bad ................... Not bad at all

Considering is a stock unit its sits sweetly,
nice flat front left spring pak ( with swaybar still connected ),
tyres that look to be 33's and not rubbing,

The body is fairly straight too,
there is two spots of cancer that have been fixed ( this shows a positave "care factor" ),
no major dents or scrapes,
& theres an actual shine to the paintwork,

All up it has some real potential........
just add .........

V8 , SOA, 35"s ,




Kingy

yeh it was stock when the pics were taken, sway bar still connected, tyres are 31" at's, body is fairly straight. now has a fe more dents, marks,but there beause i got the car to drive, and learn to drive in. which is what im using it for. that care factor is called a roadworthy.... but i try to look after it but i still have fun in it. would love to add v8 SOA, 35s... ect...

but for now its sitting on 33's 2" BL, slight scrubbing. but its slowly getting there. and im working to pay for stuff for it.

during the buildup so far (over 4 months) iv been jobless, living in a caravan, ect... and when working i have done alot to. (working 120 hours / 7 days a week living on site for a bad wage) it is crap (hence quitting that job) but its worth it... i love driving my car. which is why i do it. it doesnt bother me if someone doesnt like my car on the net or "pays out" on me... i like it.

dromana7411 wrote:

V8Patrol wrote:On the negative side ...........
What sort of twit would put the recovery hook in the middle of the bullbar,

Especially a std non winch type bar ....... Oh well it will bend up nicely when the time comes !

Kingy

might not be your cup of tea. but its working fine and ha had some hard pulls from it. and the bar has had work done to it. (which i wont go into because you will all cry more.)

Experiance is the best learning device known ..... thats why the hook is located in a bad place......
Structally it is placing stress on the mounting brackets ( chassis/bullbar ) and will result in damage to one if not both eventually. The location also places "rotational" pressure on the actual mounting bolts much like a lever effect, it also places torsional pressure on the area on which the hook itself is attatched .... the back edge is around a 20mm 90degree fold
and is not designed to take the loads of snatching, what happens is that fold tears at the weld at the mounting plates it then rotates upwards and forward.... its this section that weakens the design of the bar when under loads its not designed to handle
The std non winchbars are generally 3mm sheet metal and are not designed to cater for a great load such as snatching, plateing the front section will assist and improve the strength but additional support needs to be placed both back to the chassis from the bar and bracing to minimumise rotational pressures both on the mountings and the actual centre section of the bar.
Thats is the reason you see most recovery hooks or recovery points located directly in line with the actual chassis rails both on std non wichbars AND on bars with winches fitted.


There is around a dozen odd bullbars here that have suffered major damage from snatching to the point that they are virtually unrepairable, all of these bars have had snatches attatched incorrectly and or poor hook location which has resulted in the extream damage. There is also a couple of rear bars that have been wrecked form snatching too.
One bar inparticular actually sheered away from the chassis and went flying towards the snatching vehicle, it was only sheer dumb luck that no-one was injured if not killed.

I've had a snatch break on me once .... and once was enough trust me !!!, the tailgate of my rig was destroyed ..... add the weight of a recovery hook or a section of bullbar to that sort of velocity and its a receipe for disatser.

Kingy

P/S
I like ya rig and am sure it will grow into an even tougher rig over time


Irony of life ....
we work to get $$$$ but dont get the time to do what we want to do .....
When we are out of work we cant afford the $$$$ to do what we now have the time to do.

sucks hey !

I say good on ya for for what you've done so far. In my experience you never have enough money to do what the big boys are doing but don't let that stop you. Just wait till yer married with a couple of kids. Then you'll know what being broke is all about. A stock or close to stock rig is exactly what you want when you're starting out. Less chance of getting into serious trouble when you are not equipped to get yourself out of it. Plus stockers are always cheaper and easier to fix or have someone fix when you're in the middle of nowhere. Also, take a look at where your stock rig will go, it's pretty amazing really. A reasonable lift and moderately larger tyres will transform the vehicle. I used to cop it all the time for the jeep YJ that I drove in Canada, "not as good as my CJ or Chevy, blah, blah, blah!" She did everything I needed her to and surprised me many times. It was completely stock except a 2" lift and 31" tyres. My 24 year old MQ does the same for me now. She may not be very sexy but she certainly gets the job done. Just do what you can do and tell the rest to get stuffed!

Good on ya for gettin' out and havin fun. That's what it's all about. Who cares what you drive - its what you get out of it that counts !

But for the safety of you, the recovery vehicle and any spectators - do have a serious look at the mounting point of your recovery hook. There are plenty of examples around where a recovery point or shackle have failed and have seriously injury or killed people. You may have had many successful recoveries, but it only takes one failure.... Just my 2 cents worth.

IMO, anyone who knows about recovery techniques, should refuse to use that point whilst recovering you. I would.

Get out there, have fun and be safe !

With regards to the recovery hook in the bullbar... I don't think Kingy would have said "what a twit" if he'd known you were likely to read it, and it's fair enough if you feel insulted, but he is right that the middle of the bullbar is not a good location for it.

It would be better to move it to the chassis rail - maximum strength comes when there is no leverage on the bolts.

You may get away with using it where it is for a while or even forever, but it is definitely not the strongest location to choose. I doubt it's going to kill anyone but if there is a failure it is likely to cause damage.

Jason

By the way if you can put a bit of effort into it, you might be able to make V8Patrol/Kingy feel guilty for picking on you, and get him to help you do a V8 conversion and a springover on your car

Jason

Your dog sure liked it though.

V8Patrol wrote: plateing the front section will assist and improve the strength but additional support needs to be placed both back to the chassis from the bar and bracing to minimumise rotational pressures both on the mountings and the actual centre section of the bar.

Thats is the reason you see most recovery hooks or recovery points located directly in line with the actual chassis rails both on std non wichbars AND on bars with winches fitted.

where the hook is it has a steel plate 3-4mm welded onto the inside of the bar. so that has been done, there is also a bar which runs along the edge of the bar (welded to it), which has also been attached to the chassis.

when i joined this board i made a thread about where to put a recovery hook... i got some replys, but none of them were helpful... so i have tried.

and as i also said.. i will be making a new tube bar soon (when my boss can teach me) which will be designed so i can get to the chassis rails to put hooks onto them. which iv also asked on here for help with.

chimpboy wrote:With regards to the recovery hook in the bullbar... I don't think Kingy would have said "what a twit" if he'd known you were likely to read it, and it's fair enough if you feel insulted, but he is right that the middle of the bullbar is not a good location for it.

It would be better to move it to the chassis rail - maximum strength comes when there is no leverage on the bolts.

You may get away with using it where it is for a while or even forever, but it is definitely not the strongest location to choose. I doubt it's going to kill anyone but if there is a failure it is likely to cause damage.

Jason

I'd asumed ( incorrectly ) that the rig had had this fitted much ealier by a previous owner. I cant recall seeing a thread about hook location other wise I like many others would have given the details to better locate the hook.

My applogies for the "twit" comment it was uncalled for and in hind sight not required.

Kingy

p/s
I'd still consider moving it just to be on the safe side

and as i said... i will be taking the bar off as soon as my boss gets some spare time to teach me how to bend, weld, ect... (and pays me so i can buy the steel)

i have also asked for plans ect to make a decent one, but havnt really got much help, (which is understandable because people dont want people to copy) but i still need help with it. all i want is a basic tube bar, with room to get to the chasis rails so i can put a hook there.