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i've read alot of reviews on these things mainly comparing them with prado, but the paj's are cheaper even tho they arn't as good offroad when stock. That much i understand so i'm wondering what mods are available for the nm i heard oposite lock make a 90mm lift kit for them (dose anyone else do the same?) so u can fit 33's but dose anyone make dif locks for them and how do they go offroad once there lifted and locked.

also whats the build quality like?
thanx

In stock form they can accept 32" tyres, so you won't need 90mm lift for 33's. A 90mm lift is a lot for independent suspension - older Pajeros easily cope with 50mm, and the NM has longer drive shafts, so more should be achievable - but 90mm? Until today 70mm was about the largest I'd heard of...

Currently, the only rear diff lock is factory, which was never sold in Australia. ARB is working on one, but I don't know when it will be released. In the mean time, you'll have to rely on Mitsubishi's Torsen LSD, which is immeasurably better than Toyota's poor excuse. ARB have a front diff-lock available, which will provide a significantly better improvement in offroad performance, such that you may decide you don't need the rear diff lock.

Off road, their only real problem is lack of wheel travel from the all independent design (developed to meet Dakar regs.) Once you have a front diff-lock (working with the factory LSD) the only significant issues are ground clearance (under sills - the diffs are NOT the lowest point any more) and stability issues from lifted wheels in extreme terrain. I doubt if too many tourers will want to go anywhere a Pajero (with normal tourer mods - suspension and tyres) won't go.

I don't think there's any specific problems, but Mitsubishi do seem to have their share of lemons.

Prado will be quieter, but Pajero drive train will be stronger. The 3.0 Prado engine can't compete with the 3.2 DiD.

All the other stuff like storage, tanks, bullbars, snorkels etc. shouldn't be an issue.

Cheers,

Scott

what about sliders ataching them to a monocoqe chassy? and yeh theres an artcicle in overlander about a fully dun up oposite lock paj with 90mm lift

I've heard of sliders on a Gen 3, but I don't know how they did it.

I think there's a couple of "channels" under the floor - I presume sliders attach to these.

Cheers,

Scott

thanx for the info should be usefull in helping my mate decide bettween a prado or paj.

The DID also has a traction control option. Between a rear LSD and 4 wheel traction control there wouldnt be too much would slow them down.


Long term reliability of the traction control system however is still unknown.

as with all newish technoligy it has to proven for people to trust but some comp guys run it instead of difflocks. I was looking at them today there aint much room bettween the bumper bar and front tyres it would need a bullbar to fit bigger tyres then?.

my dad has a new turbo diesel as his work car, can dust off the petrol varieties with a loaded trailor behind it. lovely to drive and has good traction witht he centre lock. i like em but they have no flex... and they come with 31s standard

Beastmavster wrote:The DID also has a traction control option. Between a rear LSD and 4 wheel traction control there wouldnt be too much would slow them down.


Long term reliability of the traction control system however is still unknown.

The traction control is in lieu of rear LSD. Once the system overheats (like a loose climb) you're stranded with open diffs.

You can't compare factory traction control with Haultech's product. One's a sales gimmick, the other is actually useful.

YMMV,

Scott

Beastmavster wrote:The DID also has a traction control option. Between a rear LSD and 4 wheel traction control there wouldnt be too much would slow them down.


Long term reliability of the traction control system however is still unknown.

Only issue I could see would be the consumption of large quantities of brakepads. In effect you are using the brakes not only to control your decelleration, but also your acceleration (no wheelspin), and traction (selectivly braking your wheels).

Other issue is there is only a maximum of 50% of the torque available delivered at twice the speed of the axle at the other end of the vehicle in the event of one wheel being braked (ie. stationary, the extreme end of the scale) with an open diff. Even if the braking allowed the wheel to rotate at the same speed as the wheels at the opposite end of the vehicle, you would still lose a hell of a lot of energy in the process, effectively making it no more useful than a decent LSD, and certainly less effective than a decent auto locker or manual locker.

DAMKIA wrote:

Beastmavster wrote:The DID also has a traction control option. Between a rear LSD and 4 wheel traction control there wouldnt be too much would slow them down.


Long term reliability of the traction control system however is still unknown.

Only issue I could see would be the consumption of large quantities of brakepads. In effect you are using the brakes not only to control your decelleration, but also your acceleration (no wheelspin), and traction (selectivly braking your wheels).

Other issue is there is only a maximum of 50% of the torque available delivered at twice the speed of the axle at the other end of the vehicle in the event of one wheel being braked (ie. stationary, the extreme end of the scale) with an open diff. Even if the braking allowed the wheel to rotate at the same speed as the wheels at the opposite end of the vehicle, you would still lose a hell of a lot of energy in the process, effectively making it no more useful than a decent LSD, and certainly less effective than a decent auto locker or manual locker.

Traction control isn't good - it's CHEAP! By the time the sensors and ECU for ABS are installed it's cheaper to install ETC than LSD or lockers.

The good thing is that ETC doesn't prevent installation of LSD/lockers - you can have the best of both worlds.

Scott

I expected that the traction control would be in lieu of LSD... which is then easily fixed. LSD's + traction control would be good enough for most things. I guess we've seen that in the haultech buggies.

Dunno about sourcing a front LSD though.

Beastmavster wrote:I expected that the traction control would be in lieu of LSD... which is then easily fixed. LSD's + traction control would be good enough for most things. I guess we've seen that in the haultech buggies.

Dunno about sourcing a front LSD though.

I agree. I think the combination would be enough for most, but I've heard stories of Pajeros with only TC struggling on tracks I would have thought were medium at best.

ARB do a front diff lock for them, and the LSD centre from some models of Starion may bolt in the front.

Cheers,

Scott

Watched a Pajero at a 4wd Show and Ive gotta say I was disappointed with the performance of the traction control. Disco 3 worked so much better.
Mate told me of Gen 3 that had been used a lot in hard off roading, developing creases in the roof panels. But this could be just a roomer spread by disgruntled Prado owners.

thats interesting so the np comes with traction controll instead of lsd. hey anyone know how much power u can get out of the d.i.d with a chip and biger exaust and will it give a nice meaty whistle with a 3i

ok lets do a bit of drag racing then wich is faster o-100 wise d.i.d paj or 1hd fte 100's cruiser cos i can't find any comparisons of the sort on the internet

known 2 wrote:ok lets do a bit of drag racing then wich is faster o-100 wise d.i.d paj or 1hd fte 100's cruiser cos i can't find any comparisons of the sort on the internet

I'm sure Over-it, 4Xbore, or AWD monthly would have done those comparisons or have the info inline somewhere.............