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Ok who has done what and how easy and expensive was it ?

Im looking for info as I want to up grade for comps must be something easy to get hold of for parts and has injection

I've done many.

They were expensive.

Perhaps if you were a little less vague you might get some usefull answers

Which engines are you considering? What do you want to do with it? Are you prepared to upgrade other parts in your driveline to handle the power increase? Whats your budget? Are you mechanically handicapped?

Throw us a bone mate

g16b would be a good one,or a baleno motor like gutless(pete) has done

1500 bux for a 16 valve like mine, cant go wrong, came with all wiring comp and auto gbox from mark at suziworx.

Must be a 4 cylinder that comes with a manual box must have injection must be out of a rear wheel drive car dosent have to be to powerful around 80 to 100kw will be fine as dont want to over load the transfer case running hilux diffs im mechanicaly capable to fit and make mounts not to exotic as might need to get parts and dont want them to be hard to get or way over priced.

So far a 87 to 90 pintara is looking good as its 2 liter comes with a 5spd box and has injetion lots to choose from out of the paper or from wreckers.

Next is a late modle liteace comes with a 7k motor that is fitted with injection and 5spd hard to find but would be easy for parts but expensive to get hold of.

Vitara motor just a bit expensive even at $1500 .

Lastly V6 commordor motor hard to find with a mannual heavy about 350kgs with auto box and auto box is way large so lots of cutting to trans tunnel also may be to powerful to run with zuk transcase

Anymore ideas

Man when i was working as a mechanic, we used to hate the CA20 in the pintara, always seemed to have dramas. Not a big fan overall. Though about a SR20, non tubo version. Not sure , but i think that you would be able to mount a s14/s15 5 spd behind it, and get a non turbo (or TURBO I SUPOSE!!!!! ) motor fairly easy. Or CA18 possibly.
Layto....

not sure on weight or power.

The later 18rgeu toyota or the 3s out of the later celicas.

Nic

What gose wrong with the pintara motors what would i have to look out for

duncan wrote:What gose wrong with the pintara motors what would i have to look out for

i was thinking the same motor
plenty avaliable and fairly cheep

wot really goes wrong?

As far as engine conversions go, you prob wouldnt be able to go past the pintara motor. Failing that the next best thing would be the G16B...I have that motor in my zook..the carby is excellant and doesnt seem to care what angle you drive it at. And also having said that the whole lot bolts up. These cars (4X4??) were fairly popular and should be easy to find. Just need to know the right people it would seem with regards to these motors. BTW what 4wd is this going into?

its possible to use the sierra 5 speed behind the pinny ive seen it in some ricer in one of my old mags

Duncan,

why dont you consider an 4AGE, strong, reliable engine with good power. From what i saw at the winch weekend, the gearing on the zook is fairly low and uses alot of top end power in engine, so i think an 4AGE would be a great engine to use, with peak power at 6,400-6,800 odd rpm. A few guys have done the conversion before, so it wouldnt be hard to find advice and parts.

Even better would be the 4AGZE, but their becoming rare nowdays.

Cheers
Jayden

sorry for the hijack .... but hough I'd keep it in one about engines any ways

with a Suzuki Swift GTI G13B DOHC Engine
by the sounds of it you gotta have an eletric fan .... can you go with the normal type one instead?

Can you find out if this motor will bolt up to a zuk 5 spd and yes its going in a comp zuk running 38s 5.14 transfercase gears hilux diffs twin locked with 5.29s coil sprung with 4 link front and rear not much body left and an exo cage

Klappers wrote: Failing that the next best thing would be the G16B...I have that motor in my zook..the carby is excellant and doesnt seem to care what angle you drive it at.

Start getting a bit steep or off camber and it will stall out on you no question about it .. That said it is good as far as a carbed motor in a 4x4 goes ..

love_mud wrote:

Klappers wrote: Failing that the next best thing would be the G16B...I have that motor in my zook..the carby is excellant and doesnt seem to care what angle you drive it at.

Start getting a bit steep or off camber and it will stall out on you no question about it .. That said it is good as far as a carbed motor in a 4x4 goes ..

100% agree with you Guy, my carb is in top condition but you can't compare it to fuel injection on the wacky angles (you know the ones where you clench your bum cheeks so tight it takes 5 mins just to get the seat cover out of your arse )
Peter.

love_mud wrote:

Klappers wrote: Failing that the next best thing would be the G16B...I have that motor in my zook..the carby is excellant and doesnt seem to care what angle you drive it at.

Start getting a bit steep or off camber and it will stall out on you no question about it .. That said it is good as far as a carbed motor in a 4x4 goes ..

No i would have to disagree. I have done some crazy steep stuff and never have a problem. If any of you are familiar with landcruise mountain park, and know the hill climbs on the other side of telecom hill that start from the camp site, then you would know how steep that is. I walked up there in low low 1st with no problem of stalling....4AGZE motor would be a great little motor. Very torquey for a 1.6L. I had one of these in my little sprinter and it loved it. The ZE would be a better option than a 4AGE purely because it has boost, and boost is your friend . Peek torque will come in a full 1,000rpm earlier than a GE. Parts are easy to get and the motor is easy to find. I know of one front cut for sale at 2000 and that is the MAP motor, which is the one you want btw. You dont want to be muching around with airflow meters (which is another reason why not to get a SR20), but i digress. What you want is a 4AGZE out of a AE101 corolla. As these had a little bit more power and also had MAP sensor. Hope this helps

www.club4ag.com
http://4age.net/tech/4agte_part1/index.htm

A couple of very good sites for info on the motor...
You could also turbo the motor easily enough...but hey super is what you want for the offroad ...

No matter what your opinion of how good a carb works on angles, there is a physical limitation on them, that is they do not run after a certain angle. Injection, diesel or LPG is the only was to overcome this.
Layto....

lay80n wrote:No matter what your opinion of how good a carb works on angles, there is a physical limitation on them, that is they do not run after a certain angle. Injection, diesel or LPG is the only was to overcome this.
Layto....

This is indeed true...However, the angles that i have been on have been more than enough for me..so i think i will stick to the cheap and chearful G16B.

How about these options then

BMW 318i 4cylinder mechanical injection comes with a 5spd which is small cheap and lots of them around also fuel pump is inline could be great for water with electrics

Or

Volvo 240 or 244 or 740 all 4cylinder with manuals early ones mechanical injection plenty around

Laslty

Corona st141 around 85 comes with a 22re

HotAe92 wrote:Duncan,

why dont you consider an 4AGE, strong, reliable engine with good power. From what i saw at the winch weekend, the gearing on the zook is fairly low and uses alot of top end power in engine, so i think an 4AGE would be a great engine to use, with peak power at 6,400-6,800 odd rpm. A few guys have done the conversion before, so it wouldnt be hard to find advice and parts.

Even better would be the 4AGZE, but their becoming rare nowdays.

Cheers
Jayden

i would agree with this - the toyota motors are very reliable as well. THere are a heap around, there are 2litres and also 2.2 litre toyota motors. Also i think Toyota had/have a 2.7 EFI 4Cyl in their Hilux which would be a nice grunty motor.

For what it's worth, I have a 4AGE 20v in my Sierra and while it revs to the heavens and back, 30's with stock gearing make it too much of a pig.

If you choose an engine that likes to rev, make sure you have low gearing and are prepared to live with something that needs to scream to get torque.

Dee 4x4 wrote:For what it's worth, I have a 4AGE 20v in my Sierra and while it revs to the heavens and back, 30's with stock gearing make it too much of a pig.

If you choose an engine that likes to rev, make sure you have low gearing and are prepared to live with something that needs to scream to get torque.

Hahah, u should see the way these guys drive this thing. Thats why i recommended a 4AGE

Duncan

Speaking to hayden he rekns go the commodore motor all the other motors he has worked with and off all he rekns the comm motor would be best and easy for parts.

Plus he can wire it up piss easy well he can do them all .

He has fited a 4age b4 and doesnt recomend it for what you want just somethin to think about

duncan wrote:How about these options then

BMW 318i 4cylinder mechanical injection comes with a 5spd which is small cheap and lots of them around also fuel pump is inline could be great for water with electrics

Or

Volvo 240 or 244 or 740 all 4cylinder with manuals early ones mechanical injection plenty around

Laslty

Corona st141 around 85 comes with a 22re

You are forgeting the 504 peugeot mechanical injection 2L

bulldogy wrote:Duncan

Speaking to hayden he rekns go the commodore motor all the other motors he has worked with and off all he rekns the comm motor would be best and easy for parts.

Plus he can wire it up piss easy well he can do them all .

He has fited a 4age b4 and doesnt recomend it for what you want just somethin to think about

don't do it. the commy V6 will add too much weoght over the front axle.

stick with an alloy 4 cylinder motor.

Perhaps a 4cyl turbo diesel if you insist on fitting a heavy cast motor

Klappers wrote:

love_mud wrote:

Klappers wrote: Failing that the next best thing would be the G16B...I have that motor in my zook..the carby is excellant and doesnt seem to care what angle you drive it at.

Start getting a bit steep or off camber and it will stall out on you no question about it .. That said it is good as far as a carbed motor in a 4x4 goes ..

No i would have to disagree. I have done some crazy steep stuff and never have a problem. If any of you are familiar with landcruise mountain park, and know the hill climbs on the other side of telecom hill that start from the camp site, then you would know how steep that is. I walked up there in low low 1st with no problem of stalling

These hills are fairly steep i guess but mainly just loose but no where near steep enough to have carby problems. Mine walks it up those hills too but i have still had plenty of times where the carby cuts out on hill climbs and it is a very well running carby. Usually i found mine only cuts out on tracks where you start getting quite a lot of wheel lift or get flicked off to the side and the front gets some air under the tyres. But in this situation i think all carbs would reach their limit which im sure ull discover when u get a bit more adventurous.

Oh and my choice of motor would definitely be the G16B efi...retains good low down tourque for the slower stuff which i presume you do with 38's and is still more powerful with a light weight.

So what would the weight be of the rangie motors and gearbox that the haultec guys run in the buggies be compared to a comm motor?

I read somewhare 350kg