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Ok,

Looking to build a buggy very shortly and I am after suggestions.

Running GQ diffs with commo V6 and auto onto MQ divorced transfer, rear disconnect, 37s if pro mod but 40s if not.

Basically it wont be keepinf up with the joneses, not portals, big V8s, queer steer etc but for ease unlimited would be the go.

what is required as far as panels for pro mod? if it is basically as as simple as bonnet and gaurds it is doable, but the way the rules read door skins etc must look same same as OE, can Sam or Tony please clarify if you read this??? I presume hydro assist is fine for steering?

ne way as soon as the engine sells I will start parting out the GQ so should happen soon

Tiny

be disciplined and build it for legends
you will simply not be competitive in unlimited class

how are you doing the rear shaft disco?

N*A*M wrote:be disciplined and build it for legends
you will simply not be competitive in unlimited class

how are you doing the rear shaft disco?

thats what Jeremy thinks as well, the issues atm are do I use the patrol chassis as a base ie steering is easy BUT totaly diff motor and transfer set up.....also what are te requirements for bonnet / gaurds??

dico prolly same as jeremys maybe with a small ram to get rid of the lever, otherwise maybe keep the brakes as is and go for one of those ones with the brake on the drive shaft?? but does sound like lotsa work to do that for no real gains over cutting brakes.

going auto for less to think bout as well as gearing

488s in the diff, then just the auto and the transfer, may keep the GQ auto but the MQ divorced is cheap and easy where as gearing in the gq would be good as well as drivline allready lined up no fuss, should not break with the gear I want to run anyway

sounds like a fun project tiny let us know when u start ?

are you parting out your truck ?

Go all out Tiny and write it off on tax on your new business

china wrote:sounds like a fun project tiny let us know when u start ?

are you parting out your truck ?

yeah should be good, will be parting it out pending the sale of the engine. may use part of the chassis, see how I feel, will run GQ diffs and the MQ is still undecided mey use the GQ one with gearing

stool wrote:Go all out Tiny and write it off on tax on your new business

still need the $$ to do it, and if I went all out then mogs with rear stear etc, cant justify the $$

any way got an intersting project happening that should see me in OBC, if it happens the unveiling will be willowglen

don't use the patrol chassis. build one from scratch. the patrol chassis is a giant slice of cheese that gets wedged into everything. i would not use a stock chassis if i had to build a new car. you would save a lot of time cutting off useless crap when all you really wanted was the steering box mount. you will have the exact chassis you want if you build it from two lengths of tube. there are some stout steering box mount designs around. but i don't have any pics of them.

i would also consider fj60 diffs over gq. they are cheaper, have stronger cvs available and better turning lock, but weak centers. i'd just sell the gq diffs, unless u already have lockers for them.

since i missed werock, what is jeremy's disco unit based off? the suzuki trailtough ones? or is it a remco unit?

N*A*M wrote:don't use the patrol chassis. build one from scratch. the patrol chassis is a giant slice of cheese that gets wedged into everything. i would not use a stock chassis if i had to build a new car. you would save a lot of time cutting off useless crap when all you really wanted was the steering box mount. you will have the exact chassis you want if you build it from two lengths of tube. there are some stout steering box mount designs around. but i don't have any pics of them.

i would also consider fj60 diffs over gq. they are cheaper, have stronger cvs available and better turning lock, but weak centers. i'd just sell the gq diffs, unless u already have lockers for them.

since i missed werock, what is jeremy's disco unit based off? the suzuki trailtough ones? or is it a remco unit?

i agree strongly with everything nam has said, except keep the GQ diffs and run toyota longfields in the front. there is a lot of bisexuality issues in the toyota stuff we are finding out about now with cal's buggy. the GQ stuff is awesome apart from the cv's, which can be replaced with the longfields anyway.

N*A*M wrote:since i missed werock, what is jeremy's disco unit based off? the suzuki trailtough ones? or is it a remco unit?

It's a Toyota Trailtough one. The locators for it got a little damaged when the output shaft twisted but it's repairable (thank christ) !!

ask gonads about any tech questions on specifications, he did a nice job on getting jeremy's rig going properly, he drove a few good lines on the weekend until his rear shaft buggered up.

are you making a single or 2 seater?
if your not going to be competitive, 2 seaters are good for playing around with mates on weekends.

OK, jeremy reckons tube chassis as well so seems it way be the way to go. will be 2 seater for that ver reason, I dont think at this stage it will be very competitive in the scheme of things so may as have it to play as well. have lockers in the GQ diffs and either heat treated or longfeilds will go in when the oe break

prolly make a frame, decide on susp set up and hand it over to matt with my coil overs and rod ends etc

just do a basic pro mod/ legends 4 link rear 3 link front with panard, fox shocks, twin seater, 37's just make sure ur frame meets the requirements such as length and width

pro modified

pro modified


me and Sean from Overkill just got this one done in time for werock

3 and a half week build

will hopefully be started on mine by the end of this year ready for the 2007 season

Ok,

Looking to build a buggy very shortly and I am after suggestions

there`s going to be a few of us looking at this. Im interested, without having the final costs blowing out past 30k.
M&M will build me a full tube frame for about 5k, single seat, twin or quad doesn`t matter. If I supply everything else - motor, gearbox, transfercases, diffs, shocks, bags , steering x2, tyres, wheels. He will assemble it for 10K more.

so u have 15k in labor then u need parts there goes 30k easy

jeep97tj wrote:so u have 15k in labor then u need parts there goes 30k easy

depends if ya use junkyard bits or bling stuff. unlimited has got very pricey to be competitive, very quickly

antt wrote:

jeep97tj wrote:so u have 15k in labor then u need parts there goes 30k easy

depends if ya use junkyard bits or bling stuff. unlimited has got very pricey to be competitive, very quickly

yep, a year ago I wouldnt have asked just done unlimited

If someone really wanted to there is cothing stopping them spending 100K on a Pro Mod buggy and absolutly spanking everything in its class.

POS wrote:If someone really wanted to there is cothing stopping them spending 100K on a Pro Mod buggy and absolutly spanking everything in its class.

where would the $$$ help in pro-mod? just curious, considering it seems to be a fairly standardised class...

bad_religion_au wrote:

POS wrote:If someone really wanted to there is cothing stopping them spending 100K on a Pro Mod buggy and absolutly spanking everything in its class.

where would the $$$ help in pro-mod? just curious, considering it seems to be a fairly standardised class...

Whats so standardised about it??

Its only the limitations on the frame and No Queer Steer.

So add up these -

Rockcrusher Dana 60 Steering with Superior axles and CTM's
Rockcrusher Dana 60 Rear with Superior Axles
5.86 gear sets for front and rear
37" comps spec BFG Krawlers
17" Alloy Rims
Internal Bead Locks
16" Sway-a-ways
PSC Hydralic assist steering ($$$$)
2 x PSP seats
Two ARB Lockers
Willwood 14" Disc Brakes front and Rear
Atlas 5:1 Transfer Case
Built powerglide
LS1 Crate Engine
Custom made drive shafts
Chromoly Frame
Anti-rock Sway bars
7075 Aluminium Links
Chromoly Hiem joints (16 off)
Custom Fuel tanks
Front gaurds (that look good) 5 sets (1 for each comp)
Cutting Brakes

Also add in all the wiring, Hydro lines, brake lines etc etc all adds up!

Think about this -

Take all the stuff out of the ABT buggy (minus the rear steer, but add in a built non rear steer axle) and put it into a Pro mod chassis.

Guaranteed no one would have a chance against the above set-up, purely due to how strong and reliable it would be.

And thats just the parts, add in labour if you have no skills.

POS wrote:

bad_religion_au wrote:

POS wrote:If someone really wanted to there is cothing stopping them spending 100K on a Pro Mod buggy and absolutly spanking everything in its class.

where would the $$$ help in pro-mod? just curious, considering it seems to be a fairly standardised class...

Whats so standardised about it??

Its only the limitations on the frame and No Queer Steer.

So add up these -

Rockcrusher Dana 60 Steering with Superior axles and CTM's
Rockcrusher Dana 60 Rear with Superior Axles
5.86 gear sets for front and rear
37" comps spec BFG Krawlers
17" Alloy Rims
Internal Bead Locks
16" Sway-a-ways
PSC Hydralic assist steering ($$$$)
2 x PSP seats
Two ARB Lockers
Willwood 14" Disc Brakes front and Rear
Atlas 5:1 Transfer Case
Built powerglide
LS1 Crate Engine
Custom made drive shafts
Chromoly Frame
Anti-rock Sway bars
7075 Aluminium Links
Chromoly Hiem joints (16 off)
Custom Fuel tanks
Front gaurds (that look good) 5 sets (1 for each comp)
Cutting Brakes

Also add in all the wiring, Hydro lines, brake lines etc etc all adds up!

Think about this -

Take all the stuff out of the ABT buggy (minus the rear steer, but add in a built non rear steer axle) and put it into a Pro mod chassis.

Guaranteed no one would have a chance against the above set-up, purely due to how strong and reliable it would be.

Exactly what I am building


I FARKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WISH

Forget Atlas 5:1....Go Atlas 4speed,
Dry sump that engine for oiling at any angle,
Bling 20" rims to keep the sidewall height down a bit....
and 20" comp spec meats ain't going to be cheap.....
Oh yeah you'd want to probably have a good stash of them so you can have nice fresh edges.....
Portal ends to the diffs,
componsite materials,
etc
IMHO 100k wouldn't be hard to spend and if you could figure out how to blow 100k then you need more imagination

Wooders wrote:Forget Atlas 5:1....Go Atlas 4speed,
Dry sump that engine for oiling at any angle,
Bling 20" rims to keep the sidewall height down a bit....
and 20" comp spec meats ain't going to be cheap.....
Oh yeah you'd want to probably have a good stash of them so you can have nice fresh edges.....
Portal ends to the diffs,
componsite materials,
etc
IMHO 100k wouldn't be hard to spend and if you could figure out how to blow 100k then you need more imagination

No 37" Comp spec comes with a 20" rim and Portals are not allowed in Pro Mod.

JR's new buggy is well over US$100k at the moment according to JR himself

all understood, but for those dollars you may as well just build a unlimited and go the bigger tyres etc.

The this is without spending big $$ you can have fun in a relitavly competitive buggy in pro mod IMO.

Tiny wrote:all understood, but for those dollars you may as well just build a unlimited and go the bigger tyres etc.

The this is without spending big $$ you can have fun in a relitavly competitive buggy in pro mod IMO.

only at this point in time


have a look at the states which is were we will end up

wouldnt suprise me if the promod buggies cost more then unlimiteds

lot more thinking has to go into it
lots harder to design
more tube even tho thats a small thing


then u have panels to ontop

redzook wrote:

Tiny wrote:all understood, but for those dollars you may as well just build a unlimited and go the bigger tyres etc.

The this is without spending big $$ you can have fun in a relitavly competitive buggy in pro mod IMO.

only at this point in time


have a look at the states which is were we will end up

wouldnt suprise me if the promod buggies cost more then unlimiteds

lot more thinking has to go into it
lots harder to design
more tube even tho thats a small thing


then u have panels to ontop

but why bother? why would you spend more for promod, when unlimited is considered creme of the crop? why would you sink more in to win a "lower" class? sponsorship $$$ would probably be more attracted to unlimited, because they (in theory) do harder shit... so more exposure

bad_religion_au wrote:

redzook wrote:

Tiny wrote:all understood, but for those dollars you may as well just build a unlimited and go the bigger tyres etc.

The this is without spending big $$ you can have fun in a relitavly competitive buggy in pro mod IMO.

only at this point in time


have a look at the states which is were we will end up

wouldnt suprise me if the promod buggies cost more then unlimiteds

lot more thinking has to go into it
lots harder to design
more tube even tho thats a small thing


then u have panels to ontop

but why bother? why would you spend more for promod, when unlimited is considered creme of the crop? why would you sink more in to win a "lower" class? sponsorship $$$ would probably be more attracted to unlimited, because they (in theory) do harder shit... so more exposure

in theory do harder shit? most of there courses are the same

and i think the promods would probally be getting more sponsership
i dont have anything to back it up on
but i am assuming people would rather sponser a buggy that looks like somthing rather then a bent up bit of tube such as most moon buggies

would be good to hear from Dustin or lil rich on this